1 00:00:03,990 --> 00:00:01,750 this program is brought to you by the 2 00:00:07,549 --> 00:00:04,000 genesis communications network a world 3 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:07,559 leader in talk radio since 1998. visit 4 00:00:19,270 --> 00:00:28,070 [Music] 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,549 my 6 00:00:38,069 --> 00:00:34,549 you're in the paracast 7 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:38,079 the gold standard of paranormal radio 8 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:39,440 and now 9 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:42,160 here's gene steinberg 10 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:44,320 so chris o'brien is off at the 11 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:46,399 international ufo conference 12 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:48,559 in fountain hills and has a bit of 13 00:00:50,869 --> 00:00:49,760 difficulty 14 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:50,879 checking in 15 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:53,440 fact as we are talking right now he's 16 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:56,160 listening to a speech from a friend of 17 00:00:59,910 --> 00:00:58,079 the show erica lukes and i hope to get 18 00:01:02,709 --> 00:00:59,920 over there before 19 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:02,719 the event ends it's a crazy week for me 20 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:04,879 we have gogs makai joining us this week 21 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:06,640 as our guest co-host 22 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:09,760 and our guest of the week is robert 23 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:12,080 schroeder he's author of a book written 24 00:01:15,830 --> 00:01:14,320 several years ago but it has some 25 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:15,840 fascinating 26 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:18,000 implications to it it's about the 27 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,320 frontiers of science it's called solving 28 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:22,320 the ufo enigma 29 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,720 how modern physics 30 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:27,200 is revealing the technology of ufos 31 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:29,840 robert welcome to the power cast 32 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:31,600 um thank you gene thank you for having 33 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:34,720 me on your show now before we start with 34 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:36,320 the book and how you framed it and 35 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:37,600 there's a couple of really interesting 36 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:39,200 things about it i want to mention in a 37 00:01:43,749 --> 00:01:40,560 moment but first 38 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:43,759 what got you interested in ufos 39 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:47,119 okay um actually older than you are i 40 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:48,799 think quite a bit 41 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:50,560 no you're not 42 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:54,880 oh no oh okay but back in 1950s 43 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:57,119 i was 11 years old 44 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:00,159 and i was out in my front yard and i was 45 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:01,520 only 11. 46 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:03,920 i lived in teaneck new jersey which is a 47 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:06,880 couple miles west of new york city of 48 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,759 manhattan it was around 5 00 p.m it was 49 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:12,239 in november 1957 50 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:14,959 and like any kid i'm kind of looking up 51 00:02:19,589 --> 00:02:17,920 at the sky and i look up and i see this 52 00:02:21,990 --> 00:02:19,599 incredible thing 53 00:02:25,750 --> 00:02:22,000 a thing that a gold-colored metallic 54 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:25,760 thing about 5 p.m so the sun was still 55 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:26,480 up 56 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:28,080 at that time 57 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,040 it was moving on its long axis 58 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:33,840 toward new york city so we were west of 59 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:35,840 new york so it was heading east toward 60 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:37,040 manhattan 61 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:38,800 and i'm looking at this and i and i had 62 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:40,959 very good eyes i didn't start wearing 63 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:44,000 glasses and only for reading when i got 64 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:47,120 older but anyway i could clearly see 65 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,000 that the this thing looked exactly like 66 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:53,040 a metallic cigarette and it was exact 67 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,200 shape of a cigarette but it looked to be 68 00:03:00,229 --> 00:02:57,680 about 5 000 feet up there right about 69 00:03:02,070 --> 00:03:00,239 where the aircraft would come in for to 70 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:02,080 laguardia and stuff 71 00:03:09,030 --> 00:03:04,640 and as i'm looking at it all of a sudden 72 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:09,040 i noticed another object behind it maybe 73 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:10,879 the length of the object 74 00:03:17,350 --> 00:03:14,640 behind it was a round object that was no 75 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:17,360 wider than the narrow width of the 76 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:19,280 cigarette shaped object and they were 77 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:22,720 both gold colored metallic looking 78 00:03:26,309 --> 00:03:25,440 and i was stunned and i ran inside the 79 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:26,319 house 80 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,480 to tell my brothers and sisters 81 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:30,720 and a couple of them came out i have 82 00:03:34,630 --> 00:03:32,400 five brothers and sisters 83 00:03:36,070 --> 00:03:34,640 they saw it too and we couldn't figure 84 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:36,080 out what it was 85 00:03:40,229 --> 00:03:38,400 you know sometimes i'd seen planes if 86 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:40,239 they were tilted slightly you couldn't 87 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:42,799 see the wings the blue of the sky would 88 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:44,480 kind of blot them out but you could 89 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,480 always see the tapered front and the 90 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:49,120 tapered back of the aircraft but in this 91 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:51,680 case it was blunt on the front and back 92 00:03:56,630 --> 00:03:54,080 of the cigarette shape thing 93 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:56,640 anyway many many years later 94 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,280 i was reading a book on ufos by major 95 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:01,920 donald kehoe and he talked about these 96 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:04,400 cigarette-shaped objects that 97 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:07,200 appear to be motherships that had 98 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:09,519 disc shaped the disc shaped typical 99 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:13,200 flying saucers stacked up on the inside 100 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:15,280 and then it suddenly dawned on me that's 101 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,560 what i saw 102 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:18,959 this was the mothership and then behind 103 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:21,280 it was this disc shaped object which if 104 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:24,320 you remember i said was no wider than 105 00:04:28,629 --> 00:04:26,720 the narrow width of the 106 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:28,639 cigarette shaped object so it could have 107 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:30,479 easily been one of the ones that had 108 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:32,639 been stacked up on the inside 109 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:34,800 and then i read other stories where they 110 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,360 reported similar type things just 111 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:39,680 parenthetically here it's not that i saw 112 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,240 ufo when i was 11 it's that i read that 113 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:44,400 book flying saucers from outer space by 114 00:04:47,909 --> 00:04:46,000 major kehoe 115 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:47,919 yes and that's what convinced me that 116 00:04:52,790 --> 00:04:51,040 what i saw was a ufo at the time i 117 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:52,800 didn't know what it was 118 00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:55,120 but then later when i got older 119 00:05:02,230 --> 00:04:58,800 i realized i had seen a ufo and i then 120 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:02,240 found out even more convincing evidence 121 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:04,800 that made me realize it had to have been 122 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:08,400 a ufo it turned out that in november of 123 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:10,240 1957 124 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:13,280 there was a gigantic wave of ufo 125 00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:16,400 sightings all across the united states 126 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:18,800 and and you guys if you're familiar with 127 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:21,919 ufo history will know that 128 00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:24,000 uh that's the case you know that there 129 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:26,479 was a large number of ufo sightings so 130 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:29,919 that that totally convinced me that this 131 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:32,720 was almost certainly a ufo 132 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,720 or two of them actually 133 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:36,800 okay so i got you certainly the 134 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:39,360 confirmation that what you saw was 135 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:41,120 similar to what was reported in those 136 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:42,960 books so obviously something was going 137 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:43,840 on 138 00:05:49,990 --> 00:05:46,960 did you have any more 139 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:50,000 i did and uh right around 140 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:51,360 i've had 141 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:54,560 a good ufo sightings i believe gene are 142 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:56,479 extremely rare 143 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:58,880 and but i've been lucky i've had a 144 00:06:03,990 --> 00:05:59,840 couple 145 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:04,000 um i had another one around 1990-91 146 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:05,919 during the period when they were 147 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:08,880 spotting a lot of ufos in belgium 148 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:11,199 and uh and my wife and i 149 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:13,840 um were heading we were going to pick up 150 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,160 our daughter who was like six or seven 151 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,960 years old at the time and she was on a 152 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:21,520 play date and so we were heading through 153 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:24,639 a swampy area and i live in the suburbs 154 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:26,479 west of boston 155 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:28,720 and there's kind of a swampy area not 156 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:31,600 too far from the sudbury river 157 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:33,680 and and the swamp is on both sides of 158 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:34,720 the road 159 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:37,360 and it was just getting dusk and i can't 160 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:38,880 remember the day 161 00:06:43,110 --> 00:06:41,440 uh the time of the year except it 162 00:06:44,950 --> 00:06:43,120 probably was spring 163 00:06:46,629 --> 00:06:44,960 and i looked over 164 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:46,639 and it was it was just starting to get 165 00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:50,000 dark and i saw this incredibly brilliant 166 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:52,960 disc shaped object 167 00:06:57,670 --> 00:06:55,120 over the swamp about two thousand feet 168 00:06:59,350 --> 00:06:57,680 above it and um and i said to my wife 169 00:07:02,950 --> 00:06:59,360 she was driving and i was in the 170 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:02,960 passenger seat in the front and i and i 171 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:05,199 pointed at this object i said hey carol 172 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:08,400 look at that and uh and almost as i said 173 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:10,720 those words and as i was pointing at it 174 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:13,360 the thing from two thousand feet 175 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:16,160 just shot straight down to the level of 176 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:17,360 the swamp 177 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:19,280 i mean the speed was absolutely 178 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:20,560 unbelievable 179 00:07:25,589 --> 00:07:23,120 it just it was a streak and my wife saw 180 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:25,599 it too she glanced and she said oh my 181 00:07:30,629 --> 00:07:28,000 god what is that and it just shot 182 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:30,639 incredibly fast down and it had to have 183 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:34,319 been easily 30 40 50 feet in diameter 184 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:36,639 because we saw it behind the tree in the 185 00:07:40,629 --> 00:07:38,960 swamp and um 186 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:40,639 and i could see it gently kind of 187 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:43,120 rocking back and forth 188 00:07:47,909 --> 00:07:45,520 but the glow is starting to dim but i 189 00:07:50,629 --> 00:07:47,919 could easily see it and i knew the tree 190 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,639 was i knew roughly the size of the tree 191 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:53,039 so i knew this thing was pretty big and 192 00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:56,080 uh anyway i tried to get my wife to stop 193 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,520 but she wouldn't because we were going 194 00:08:01,830 --> 00:07:59,520 to pick up our daughter and i was just 195 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:01,840 hoping to take a better look at it and 196 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:04,160 uh so we continued on our way 197 00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:06,639 but uh that was uh another sighting that 198 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:07,599 i had 199 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:08,479 and 200 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call of 215 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:49,279 nature in the woods behind the house and 216 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:52,720 uh and all of us and i i was done and i 217 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:55,680 was standing on kind of top of this hill 218 00:09:01,350 --> 00:08:58,480 and uh and all of a sudden i saw this 219 00:09:02,949 --> 00:09:01,360 object literally i was stunned it went 220 00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:02,959 perfectly horizontal it was just a 221 00:09:08,389 --> 00:09:05,200 streak of light it went at absolutely 222 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:08,399 incredible speed and it and it went over 223 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:09,200 um 224 00:09:15,829 --> 00:09:10,000 uh 225 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,839 we were heading toward the mainland and 226 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:17,760 uh and it was just perfectly level 227 00:09:22,389 --> 00:09:20,480 horizontal at just an incredible speed 228 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:22,399 and the most important thing this was 229 00:09:25,829 --> 00:09:24,560 below the 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in our first 375 00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,320 segment before we get to stuff like 376 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:31,120 possible propulsion system of ufos and 377 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,880 the evidence that is so compelling to 378 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:34,320 robert he was telling us about his 379 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:36,959 sightings and gogs you had a question 380 00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:40,320 yes uh robert are you familiar with the 381 00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,639 the work of ray stanford 382 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:44,399 not too familiar 383 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,760 i know something about it but it but not 384 00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,440 too much 385 00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:51,279 i've definitely heard of him yeah i 386 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:54,399 think he's one example of a researcher 387 00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,839 who's looking at 388 00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:58,160 the propulsion issue you know from 389 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,399 actual photos and 390 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,480 real cases and stuff i was just 391 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:04,160 wondering if you can 392 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,160 are there any other researchers you're 393 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,480 aware of that are seriously trying to 394 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,880 work out how these things do the 395 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,560 maneuvers they are and they seem to 396 00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:15,519 defeat inertia and you know all these 397 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,639 things 398 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,160 to tell me about how you started 399 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:20,560 thinking about the science of 400 00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:22,480 ufos propulsion 401 00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:24,959 okay definitely gogs um what what 402 00:16:28,389 --> 00:16:26,720 happened is 403 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,399 after i 404 00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:30,800 you know went to high school in college 405 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:33,440 and then started on my career i was 406 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,480 pretty busy for many many years but i 407 00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,120 never lost my interest in the ufo 408 00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,279 phenomenon and i thought about it over 409 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:43,519 the years that what could they be doing 410 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:45,839 and i looked at some of the work being 411 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:48,320 done by other physicists whose names 412 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:49,920 i've now forgotten 413 00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,639 that 414 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:53,120 talked about how they might be using 415 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,639 uh wormholes and things like that and i 416 00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,800 was so excited about that stuff that i 417 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,240 got their books and i read them 418 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,800 thoroughly this is many many years ago 419 00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,559 and uh but then 420 00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,039 later on they began to have some doubts 421 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:09,679 that it was possible there's a guy in 422 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,959 mexico a physicist by the name of miguel 423 00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,319 alcuberry 424 00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:16,400 and you may have heard of the alkeberry 425 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:20,720 warp drive and his idea was that 426 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,720 the ufos were 427 00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:24,720 compressing space in front of this and 428 00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:27,199 not ufos but i don't think he 429 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,919 necessarily believed in ufos but miguel 430 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,280 alkaberry 431 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:32,960 thought that it might be ok it might be 432 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,360 possible to travel to other stars 433 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,280 using a spaceship that could warp the 434 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:40,080 space in front of it and expand it 435 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:42,400 behind it and in effect you'd be 436 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,640 creating a wave in space time itself 437 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,880 that would allow you to actually go 438 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:51,360 effectively faster than the speed of 439 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,760 light although you really wouldn't be 440 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,240 going faster than the speed of light but 441 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,240 as far as an outside observer was 442 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,880 concerned it would appear to be the case 443 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,240 however 444 00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,799 unfortunately later 445 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:06,320 the physicist 446 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,000 miguel alkaberry 447 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:10,240 came to the conclusion that it was not 448 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,360 possible 449 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,520 that the amount of energy was far 450 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,520 greater than could be 451 00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,799 acquired 452 00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,880 and there were certain certain technical 453 00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:21,039 problems with it it just wouldn't work 454 00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,919 um 455 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:22,960 so 456 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,520 ideas through the years 457 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:28,559 and 458 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:34,960 but it was um it was not until maybe the 459 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:38,080 beginning of the 21st century that i i 460 00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:40,480 don't know if i need to get into their 461 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,520 technology now but but i'll just briefly 462 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,840 explain when i started noticing other 463 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,960 things 464 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,720 there were other physicists talking 465 00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:50,240 about um 466 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:53,520 new theories like m theory string theory 467 00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,280 um that caught my attention and 468 00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,520 and i i suppose we can talk about this a 469 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,840 little bit later because i would like to 470 00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,240 present the evidence first 471 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,880 uh before we get into the technology if 472 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:08,160 that's okay 473 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,200 sure 474 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:11,440 and remember also here we're reaching a 475 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,240 very diverse audience in terms of how 476 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,080 much they know about science 477 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,480 so we're giving them a bit of a science 478 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:20,000 lecture here 479 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,120 and also trying to apply it to what we 480 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,520 know about ufos you know i want to talk 481 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,760 more about how you frame the evidence 482 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,360 before we get back to the possible 483 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,120 propulsion systems 484 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,760 okay okay yeah let's do this because i 485 00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,120 know when looking 486 00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,679 at your book you've got a section on the 487 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,679 ufo evidence where you have five 488 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,799 chapters 489 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,320 we go into 490 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,200 cases and thank heavens you also focus 491 00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:47,520 on cases from the 80s through the 21st 492 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,559 century 493 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,880 but one case that's not there we talked 494 00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,640 about it very briefly 495 00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:54,559 and i want to bring this up 496 00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:57,280 right away and dismiss it real fast and 497 00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,480 that is you do not have roswell in there 498 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:02,880 may i reach out virtually through the 499 00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,799 screen and shake your hand 500 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,039 thank you gene and goggs because 501 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,280 i hope i don't disappoint the audience 502 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,760 but i don't think there's anything to 503 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,240 the roswell case i believe there was 504 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,720 project mogul back in those back in the 505 00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,440 day 506 00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,960 and this is back in the 50s and they 507 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,200 were using these um high altitude 508 00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,760 balloons with clarify roswell was the 509 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,159 late 40s but go ahead oh late 40s you're 510 00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,320 right thank you gene for that correction 511 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,559 and they were attempting to spy on the 512 00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,000 soviet union and and and i think roswell 513 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,919 is nothing more than 514 00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,799 an accident where one of those balloons 515 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,600 um 516 00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,919 you know maybe developed a puncture or 517 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,400 something and and the payload came 518 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,360 crashing down and uh and 519 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,240 so i i my guess is it's that 520 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,400 i know there's an awful lot of other 521 00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:57,360 stories surrounding roswell about alien 522 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,559 bodies and stuff like that but um my 523 00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,039 point of view is is this that it would 524 00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,919 be extremely unlikely 525 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,799 that 526 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,440 a extraterrestrial civilization 527 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,320 that has got the uh advanced technology 528 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,320 to get to planet earth 529 00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,400 would not have backup 530 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,559 so in the case of an accident they would 531 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,520 quickly recover their crashed saucer and 532 00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,320 and the bodies you know and if you read 533 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,159 the roswell literature carefully you'll 534 00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:27,600 never see any 535 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,039 indication that 536 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:31,600 other saucers came and tried to you know 537 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:32,559 rescue 538 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,840 um their crash saucer it seems extremely 539 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,960 unlikely 540 00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:37,840 that 541 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:43,360 would try to you know come down and 542 00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:47,280 recover um the crash site and 543 00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,600 so that's you know but i'm afraid um 544 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,559 humans have good imaginations 545 00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,880 and and then some people like to tell a 546 00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,360 good story and and that's okay you know 547 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,600 that's that's the way we are we're 548 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,880 humans you know 549 00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:03,760 and 550 00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,919 start to 551 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,600 kind of um 552 00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,880 you know 553 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,679 imagine things that really didn't happen 554 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,440 but 555 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,000 so i really do hate to disappoint people 556 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,520 in the audience but i don't think 557 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,520 there's anything to roswell 558 00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,120 cover that in a bit more but i think a 559 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,679 lot of our listeners in the power cast 560 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,440 have long ago 561 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,760 given up roswell as providing compelling 562 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,200 evidence 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00:27:45,640 and was alive when roswell occurred in 683 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,400 1947 to be blunt about it 684 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,279 but very young very very very very young 685 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,360 two years dismisses it now understand 686 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,120 that part of the argument over mogul is 687 00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,360 the scheduling where kevin randle will 688 00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,120 say well there wasn't one scheduled for 689 00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,720 that particular day 690 00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,960 but all grants schedules can get screwed 691 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,120 up and that things get screwed up and 692 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:06,720 when people are asked to remember what 693 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,600 happened 30 years earlier it gets messy 694 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,679 but isn't that true about any case when 695 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,600 you're trying to look back and see what 696 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,960 happened 697 00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,760 30 40 50 years ago unless there's 698 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,559 original source material it's hard to 699 00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,760 get a good 700 00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,080 picture of it but you cover 701 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,039 a wide range of ufo cases 702 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,799 robert and i want to just quickly go 703 00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,320 over what you think are some of your 704 00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:31,679 favorites 705 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,960 you mentioned classic ufo cases now we 706 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,640 don't want to spend a whole show on this 707 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,640 because we want to focus more on the 708 00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,240 science here 709 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,039 but can you give us brief cross-section 710 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,600 of classic cases and maybe some more 711 00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,240 recent cases that really you find 712 00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,679 compelling 713 00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,039 yes um 714 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,480 level and texas 1957 at the same time 715 00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,840 that i had my sighting 716 00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,840 and i'm sure everybody or many people 717 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,799 who follow the ufo uh enigma are 718 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,000 familiar with it but they had i think 719 00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,840 six or seven 720 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,960 vehicles 721 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,440 that were stopped by ufos at different 722 00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,960 locations 723 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,279 on a single evening 724 00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240 near level in texas and each of the 725 00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:20,559 sightings was very similar where an 726 00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,720 incredibly large bright object probably 727 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,279 two or three hundred feet in length um 728 00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,360 came down on the road near the near 729 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,720 these vehicles 730 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:33,520 and the vehicles engines would stop it 731 00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,120 was an actual physical effect and um 732 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,000 and then only when the object lifted up 733 00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,200 and went away and this is one of the uh 734 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,600 strange things about ufo close 735 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,720 encounters when around vehicles the 736 00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,520 engines would start spontaneously on 737 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,039 their own it was almost as if 738 00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,520 they were frozen in time and then they 739 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,440 just started right back up again it's 740 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,720 something that 741 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,880 dr j allen hynek 742 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,360 the advisor to the u.s air force for 20 743 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,640 years in project blue book uh commented 744 00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,720 on as one of the most unusual 745 00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,279 characteristics of ufo uh close 746 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,480 encounters and it intrigued him 747 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,200 tremendously because he knew 748 00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,799 um that 749 00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,840 when such a characteristics was repeated 750 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,159 over and over again 751 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,880 it indicated that there was something to 752 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,039 this ufo phenomenon 753 00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,960 and uh so that's one of the ones that i 754 00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,679 think is extremely important and then 755 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,039 some of the others i'm just trying to 756 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,360 think go off hand 757 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,000 maybe some of the classic ones 758 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,640 the washington dc sightings where the 759 00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,200 fighter pilots went up in one case 760 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,600 and he was surrounded by a whole bunch 761 00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,320 of these discs as he was flying along in 762 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,679 his f-86 sabre jet anybody who's old 763 00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,360 enough will remember those 764 00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,880 fighter jets 765 00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:01,279 and it terrified the pilot 766 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,520 that was another one and these objects 767 00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,240 not only did he see them visually but 768 00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,799 they were picked up on radar and the and 769 00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,919 the 770 00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,520 uh radars 771 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,679 the radar uh people when they contacted 772 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,720 the pilot said oh by the way these ufos 773 00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,120 are surrounding your craft and they 774 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,039 could see it on the radar and of course 775 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,720 he could see it visually 776 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,039 the pilot was so frightened by this 777 00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,240 encounter that he asked to be allowed to 778 00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,399 go back to base and they gave him 779 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,000 permission 780 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:33,760 so that's another one of the classic 781 00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,760 sightings gee it's uh what other 782 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,159 that's zocoro oh thank you goggs that's 783 00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,880 a great one that's great 784 00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:45,679 lonnie zamora officer lonnie zamora a 785 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,159 police officer that's one of the best i 786 00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,000 think in in of all the classic ufo cases 787 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,840 because it does indicate that we're 788 00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,080 probably dealing with humanoids that are 789 00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,159 quite similar to ourselves 790 00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,279 in that case a egg-shaped object uh 791 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,039 landed in in the desert uh in uh new 792 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:06,880 mexico yeah yeah and 793 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,320 and uh so socorro socorro in new mexico 794 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,200 and anyway to make a long story short uh 795 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,000 the the ilani zamora the officer 796 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,880 um managed to see this thing land in a 797 00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,840 gully and he thought it was an exploding 798 00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,480 uh dynamite shack that was in that area 799 00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,799 but when he got closer he realized he 800 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:29,120 then thought he could see this metallic 801 00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,000 object 802 00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,679 and he thought it might be a car that 803 00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,480 had gotten into an accident there 804 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:35,279 and 805 00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,320 so 806 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,039 um as he watched it he realized there 807 00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,600 was a couple of um what he considered to 808 00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,799 be small 809 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,919 people or even children next standing 810 00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,760 next to this thing and this is one of 811 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:50,000 the most fascinating aspects of this 812 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,000 case he then uh reported that one of the 813 00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,279 humanoids turned and looked startled to 814 00:33:02,789 --> 00:32:59,840 see him and they both raced to the back 815 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,799 of this thing he heard a huge bang like 816 00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,320 a door closing 817 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,399 and then there was a terrible roar and 818 00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,320 he saw flames shooting at the bottom of 819 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,840 this thing and the thing lifted up and 820 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,240 finally became silent and tilted and 821 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,080 then headed toward a mountain range 822 00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,880 about 20 miles away and he said it went 823 00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,799 lickety-split it just you know went over 824 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,039 there very fast but 825 00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,640 i think one of the things that's 826 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,279 extremely important about that sighting 827 00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,519 is that a lot of people think that um 828 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,720 these things are just using 829 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,120 electromagnetic or some gravity fields 830 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,440 or something like that but everybody 831 00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,760 should notice one very important thing 832 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,159 is that there was clearly an action 833 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,960 reaction engine uh which is only needed 834 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:44,880 when you're when you have some kind of a 835 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,240 mass and you need to move it and so i 836 00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,640 don't think so i do think that 837 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:52,880 act you know engines are needed on these 838 00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,080 things some form of thrust and but i'll 839 00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,919 tell you more about that later but 840 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,399 that's another one of the really big 841 00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,919 important uh ufo cases 842 00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,760 one of the things that we've talked 843 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,760 about here in the power cast is there's 844 00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,040 a lot of emphasis on these classic cases 845 00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,119 so we have of course sacara on levelland 846 00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,520 in washington d.c and everything 847 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,599 but not so much on 848 00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,440 recent cases 849 00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,359 so you do have a section five here in 850 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,159 your book more evidence from the 1980s 851 00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,560 into the 21st century 852 00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,800 looking at cases like in the 21st 853 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,639 century what do you think of the most 854 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,320 compelling cases maybe we'll spend a 855 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,200 little time on that before we figure out 856 00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,639 what might make ufos tick okay i hope i 857 00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,839 got the date right i think it was 2007 858 00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,200 o'hare international airport in chicago 859 00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:47,599 and this is one that was investigated by 860 00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,960 leslie kane uh she used to be a boston 861 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,919 globe reporter and very very credible 862 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,200 she's been on the show by the way 863 00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,599 several times she's a friend of mine go 864 00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,400 ahead 865 00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:00,000 oh that's great i'm glad to hear she's 866 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,200 been on the show 867 00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:03,920 and uh but anyway um 868 00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,430 leslie 869 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:05,680 [Music] 870 00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,960 in her book she wrote a book on ufos um 871 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,079 and 872 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,920 fascinating about that 873 00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,400 um was that it was spotted by many 874 00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,119 ground personnel and a number of pilots 875 00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,079 and uh 876 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,359 was quite interesting 877 00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:26,079 is when the object departed it went 878 00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,119 through a 879 00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,440 couple of cloud layers and this is this 880 00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:30,960 is quite incredible 881 00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,640 um it left a hole in the clouds 882 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:37,599 and some physicists realized that in 883 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,280 order for it to leave holes that uh 884 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,200 stayed there for a while before they 885 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,480 collapsed 886 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040 in the clouds 887 00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,280 or dissipated 888 00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,079 it would have to have a very hot surface 889 00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,760 okay and that ties into what i i believe 890 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,000 is related to the technology not that 891 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,480 they need heat to 892 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,200 function but it's a byproduct of the 893 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,400 technology and uh and so 894 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,320 um anyway the 895 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,760 that's one of the things they said was 896 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:11,920 just amazing and 897 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,880 not as well known about that chicago 898 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,280 o'hare case is the fact that another 899 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:20,640 aircraft approaching o'hare also spotted 900 00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,520 that 901 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,240 either the same ufo or another one 902 00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:26,640 probably the same one and it actually 903 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,839 approached their uh commercial jet and 904 00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,640 stayed off the wing for a minute or two 905 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880 and they could see it clearly let's talk 906 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,040 more about the o'hare case by the way 907 00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,640 that was november 908 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,400 2006 909 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,040 okay i want to tell you what an official 910 00:36:48,630 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00:41:33,520 ufo enigma focusing on 1027 00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,400 classic cases that lead them to various 1028 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,319 conclusions we'll get to in a moment 1029 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,440 o'hare 1030 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:42,800 november 7th 2006 1031 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,319 at 16 15 central standard time 1032 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,800 according to the faa 1033 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,880 it was caused by some kind of weather 1034 00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,480 phenomenon 1035 00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,800 why would you dismiss that the reason i 1036 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,960 would definitely uh you know dismiss 1037 00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,680 that as a possibility is because they 1038 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:01,839 actually saw 1039 00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:04,640 there were multiple witnesses observing 1040 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,520 a metallic disc shaped object hovering 1041 00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,240 near the tower you know it was in such a 1042 00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,720 position that it wasn't visible from the 1043 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,720 tower but 1044 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,800 but there were too many credible 1045 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,920 witnesses 1046 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:19,040 um 1047 00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:19,839 for 1048 00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,480 as a meteorological phenomenon and uh 1049 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,280 and 1050 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,599 uh so the holes in the cloud was just 1051 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,280 part of the sighting 1052 00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,240 and so the the meteorological um 1053 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,359 explanation cannot explain the 1054 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:39,680 observation of the actual metallic 1055 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,560 object 1056 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,200 that was there and so that's why i don't 1057 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,720 think that that's a 1058 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,520 uh 1059 00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,520 explanation that makes sense 1060 00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,520 isn't that what the skeptics do quite 1061 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,280 often they ignore something 1062 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,160 that gets in the way factoids that get 1063 00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,000 in the way like seeing a metallic object 1064 00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,560 of course all right so o'hare 1065 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,119 was one case that was compelling and we 1066 00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,680 covered it on the power cast back in 1067 00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599 those days that happened of course 1068 00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,280 during our first year 1069 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,839 of the show what other cases in the 21st 1070 00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:12,240 century do you find interesting another 1071 00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,040 one 1072 00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,400 december 17 2014 1073 00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,560 a canadian pilot 1074 00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,319 flying a corporate jet 1075 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,000 uh saw a cylinder-shaped ufo 1076 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,400 this was near calgary canada 1077 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,240 and he was coming in for a landing and 1078 00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:30,880 the object was below him 1079 00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,560 and it was it was moving above a road 1080 00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,800 and as he watched it it became partially 1081 00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,359 transparent and he could begin to see 1082 00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,079 the road right through this object 1083 00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:45,599 and then it totally disappeared and 1084 00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:48,800 he was stunned absolutely stunned 1085 00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,920 so that's a very important case because 1086 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,920 it relates to 1087 00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:56,800 other cases that are very very similar 1088 00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,720 including one back in 1974 1089 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,440 of a cylinder-shaped ufo 1090 00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,119 robert can i quickly interject are you 1091 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:07,839 aware of a case that happened over the 1092 00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:11,920 english channel um in about 2007 1093 00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,359 um it was a small passenger plane you 1094 00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,040 know a fixed-wing propeller plane and 1095 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,040 these mile kind of wide objects were 1096 00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,560 seen by the pilot the passengers for a 1097 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,640 prolonged period of time they were also 1098 00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,680 caught on a the air traffic control 1099 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,800 radar and another aircraft also saw 1100 00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:36,319 saw the object have you ever heard of 1101 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,119 that 1102 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,760 absolutely although i can't remember the 1103 00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,480 name of the pilot but it was 1104 00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,520 booyah 1105 00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:45,440 captain ray boyer 1106 00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,359 that's right uh a ray boy boyer and um 1107 00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,079 and and there it was a uh commercial 1108 00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,560 aircraft uh but a small one a twin 1109 00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:57,040 engine i think and it was heading toward 1110 00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,800 the ortney did you say ortny no alderney 1111 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,800 at one of the channel islands the 1112 00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,680 channel islands yes and i i 1113 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,440 that was one of the ones that fascinated 1114 00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,480 me 1115 00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,520 because of the size of those craft 1116 00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,599 about a mile in diameter there were two 1117 00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,079 of them identical and 1118 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,640 because the that type of aircraft 1119 00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:21,119 doesn't have a separation between the 1120 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,800 pilots area and the passenger area um 1121 00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,480 several of the passengers sitting toward 1122 00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,760 the front uh were able to also see this 1123 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,720 thing and they discussed i saw a 1124 00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,720 tv show on it or some kind of 1125 00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,800 documentary on it and i thought that was 1126 00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,720 extremely interesting because 1127 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,359 um the technology that these craft are 1128 00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,920 using i believe would easily allow them 1129 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,880 to build them of immense size because 1130 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,359 they're not dealing with aerodynamic 1131 00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,280 principles uh they're 1132 00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,240 uh dealing with technology that's beyond 1133 00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,440 aerodynamics you know and so i wasn't at 1134 00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,920 all surprised by the size 1135 00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,400 there was another similar case up in 1136 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,680 alaska 1137 00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,640 and now i i turned it oh it was a an 1138 00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,760 american 1139 00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,119 faa guy 1140 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,400 who 1141 00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,119 was investigated that and 1142 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,160 callahar kelleher callahan callahan 1143 00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:18,720 callahan do you do are you guys familiar 1144 00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,160 with that is this the japan earlier uh 1145 00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,040 yes thank you gods yep and i should be 1146 00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,599 more up you know 1147 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,839 more up to date on all the sightings 1148 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,800 here and uh but um 1149 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,000 um uh the captain it was a japan 1150 00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,720 airlines and they saw this gigantic 1151 00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,280 thing that they described as being about 1152 00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,000 the size of an american aircraft carrier 1153 00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,400 which are about two thousand feet long 1154 00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,440 and uh 1155 00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,119 two thousand maybe a thousand thousand 1156 00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,160 feet long and uh and so this thing was 1157 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:53,359 monsters 1158 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,160 and 1159 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:58,240 anyway um uh that was another uh case 1160 00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,280 where 1161 00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:02,560 uh you had uh both uh 1162 00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,720 both radar as well as visual and by very 1163 00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,160 credible witnesses and uh and so the 1164 00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,119 same thing with the channel islands one 1165 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,079 uh in great britain there uh that too 1166 00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,520 was both radar and visual with very 1167 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,079 credible witnesses and so those 1168 00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,640 um it's very important i believe to make 1169 00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,640 the connection between these 1170 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,440 types of cases to point out the 1171 00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,240 similarities that occur over many many 1172 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,640 years over decades you see the same 1173 00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,440 characteristics repeated over and over 1174 00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,480 again 1175 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,240 so yeah that's 1176 00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:42,480 what reinforces the idea that you know 1177 00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,560 something physical is really happening 1178 00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,960 it's not all misidentification and 1179 00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,599 whatever and you notice 1180 00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,280 sometimes you know the the arch 1181 00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,119 debunkers 1182 00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,720 you don't hear them kind of bringing up 1183 00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,280 these more difficult to explain cases 1184 00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,839 and when they do try to explain them 1185 00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,400 their explanations are usually as 1186 00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,720 ridiculous as what most people think 1187 00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,200 ufos are in the first place 1188 00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,200 uh goggs i agree with you 1189 00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,280 i notice what a lot of skeptics do like 1190 00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,640 skeptical inquirer uh what they'll do is 1191 00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,440 isolate a a one case and they won't 1192 00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,119 connect it to other cases that are 1193 00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,720 similar and 1194 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,359 and so then they'll say well there was a 1195 00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,400 reflection off a cloud and a meteorite 1196 00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,760 went overhead 1197 00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:29,680 and somebody saw a reflection in a 1198 00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,680 window but they uh by by avoiding 1199 00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,760 the similarities between many different 1200 00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,400 cases that are separated both in space 1201 00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,240 and time 1202 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,440 they 1203 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:43,680 avoid 1204 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,800 looking at the data in a rational manner 1205 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,440 and a scientific manner 1206 00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,359 and so yeah that's what i think is 1207 00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:52,960 happening and that was one of the 1208 00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,040 criticisms of dr j allen heineck 1209 00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,680 he felt that the scientific community 1210 00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,599 was not 1211 00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,240 categorizing these things 1212 00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,880 that they they really weren't assembling 1213 00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,119 the data like they should 1214 00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,839 in any other field of science 1215 00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,839 they always look for 1216 00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640 similarities and trends and 1217 00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,040 and that kind of thing uh to try to 1218 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,160 understand a phenomenon but in the ufo 1219 00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,040 field is the one area where they do not 1220 00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,960 make that attempt 1221 00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,520 in it yeah because it works against them 1222 00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,200 if they're you know intending to kind of 1223 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,640 debunk so 1224 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040 they'll they'll avoid that can i ask you 1225 00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:37,200 quickly what what did you think about 1226 00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:38,000 the 1227 00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,400 to do with gravity waves 1228 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,200 i know oops uh that's another one i'm 1229 00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,280 skeptical of 1230 00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,559 it now who's that guy oh um stanton 1231 00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,079 friedman 1232 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,280 oh yeah 1233 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,960 okay yeah i've known him for several 1234 00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,480 decades too 1235 00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,640 oh excellent and now stanton friedman 1236 00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,440 did a good job um 1237 00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:12,800 okay to use the word but debunking uh 1238 00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,119 lazar and uh and i think that um 1239 00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,240 uh he was talking about element 237 or 1240 00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:23,520 something like that um 115 yeah oh is 1241 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,440 that what it was i forget and uh but um 1242 00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:30,240 uh you know uh stanton friedman's is a 1243 00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,200 nuclear physicist and he said um 1244 00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,960 the element uh 1245 00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:37,839 is of course uh decays extremely quickly 1246 00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,240 and would would be not terribly useful 1247 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,200 as as some kind of ufo thing a ufo 1248 00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,720 propulsion method 1249 00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,240 uh i 1250 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:50,079 the other problem that i had with bob 1251 00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:51,359 lazar 1252 00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:52,319 um 1253 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,200 and 1254 00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,480 was that um he claimed to have degrees 1255 00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,880 from like mit and a couple of other 1256 00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,760 places and stanton friedman checked that 1257 00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,599 out carefully and found no evidence of 1258 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,480 that whatsoever and uh so 1259 00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,200 i i'm afraid that um 1260 00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,359 you know actually robert robert i'm no 1261 00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,280 supporter of bob lazar and the whole 1262 00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,440 area 51 thing at all you know i don't 1263 00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,440 know what to make but quite funnily 1264 00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,800 actually just last year one of the 1265 00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,359 lines of reasoning that was used to 1266 00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,920 debunk bob lazar was the fact that 1267 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,079 nobody could prove his background where 1268 00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,800 he had higher education and he claimed 1269 00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,440 to have worked at um 1270 00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,800 you know these uh secret labs and stuff 1271 00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:39,359 got more to come with robert and gene 1272 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00:54:26,069 so the subject on the table is bob lazar 1333 00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,960 and his claims we've got gogs makai and 1334 00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,200 robert schroeder and gene steinberg 1335 00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,319 goggs yeah so that of the people who 1336 00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:36,720 have kind of tried to find out about the 1337 00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,240 truth of bob lazar like stanton friedman 1338 00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,480 they couldn't verify that when he 1339 00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,119 claimed he'd worked at los alamos 1340 00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,359 obviously a place where you'd need to be 1341 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,240 have good qualifications and 1342 00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,960 go through vetting and stuff to work it 1343 00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,680 turns out that just last year after all 1344 00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,079 this time 25 years whatever a 1345 00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,200 credentialed scientist who still does 1346 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,839 lots of government work and often works 1347 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,400 at los alamos still currently he 1348 00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,520 actually came out publicly like on open 1349 00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,079 minds alejandro rojas's show 1350 00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:14,319 actually saying that he remembers bob 1351 00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,599 lazar because he was actually a popular 1352 00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,520 figure there because he was into rocket 1353 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,839 cars and things like that but he said no 1354 00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,400 he absolutely did work there he wasn't a 1355 00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,960 janitor whatever he was a physicist and 1356 00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,200 we all knew it that's just kind of 1357 00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,839 strange that that may have been the case 1358 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,119 that he did actually work there it 1359 00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,720 doesn't mean to say that you know the 1360 00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,359 ufo stuff and all that is real but it's 1361 00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,559 weird that 1362 00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,640 it seems like the record of him working 1363 00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,960 there seems to have been misplaced shall 1364 00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,839 we say 1365 00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:46,079 i know actually i do believe he worked 1366 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,880 there 1367 00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:48,880 that i do believe and i think stanton 1368 00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,000 friedman believes that too i think um i 1369 00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400 think he was a technician there and i 1370 00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:56,559 think he was you know highly skilled in 1371 00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,440 the work that he did do there uh there's 1372 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,720 of that i i don't have any doubt and uh 1373 00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,760 but i think he might have 1374 00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,400 added to bella i think he was 1375 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,559 embellished yeah that's a better word 1376 00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,880 he he embellished 1377 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,960 what he was doing there 1378 00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,760 and 1379 00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,599 you know i've heard all these story oh 1380 00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,599 didn't didn't he talk about a captured 1381 00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,520 ufo because that was one of the things 1382 00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,440 he said well absolutely he was back 1383 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,200 engineering it that was the same that's 1384 00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,280 it right right you can see i kind of 1385 00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,359 look at this stuff but i pretty much 1386 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,000 don't pay i don't pay too much attention 1387 00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:33,040 to it 1388 00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:34,640 well i look at it this way 1389 00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:38,079 if we had these crashed ufos 1390 00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:39,839 supposedly we've had them since the 1391 00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,599 1940s you think after 70 years 1392 00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,119 would have figured out how to back 1393 00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,680 engineer them and uh but if you look at 1394 00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,319 our technology it's still 1395 00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,400 our best fighter 1396 00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,960 aircraft are still 1397 00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:56,400 jet fighters 1398 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,040 used in world war ii you know so that 1399 00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,040 that's not too much of an advance 1400 00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,040 technologically you know what i think 1401 00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,880 though robert i think that if we had 1402 00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,760 evidence of alien technology hundreds or 1403 00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:12,319 thousands of years ahead of us we would 1404 00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,119 have 1405 00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,319 no clue how to back engineer anything 1406 00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,240 except with the fringes 1407 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,599 yep i agree that does make sense but i 1408 00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,240 do not believe we have any captured ufos 1409 00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,640 i don't think so i i don't think there's 1410 00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,720 any possibility of that and the reason 1411 00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,040 is is what i was saying before 1412 00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,079 that i cannot imagine that such an 1413 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,839 advanced civilization 1414 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,640 would uh just allow one of their craft 1415 00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,280 to crash and they just go on their merry 1416 00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,119 with the others would leave and not 1417 00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,880 worry about it you know i think they 1418 00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,839 would have re recovery crews there in a 1419 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,480 hurry you know and um although not to 1420 00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,720 say that these craft are 1421 00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,880 cannot have mechanical malfunctions i 1422 00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,319 think they can 1423 00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,240 there was a case and i can't remember 1424 00:58:01,349 --> 00:58:00,240 the exact details might have been saint 1425 00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,359 louis 1426 00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:02,880 where 1427 00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,599 they spotted a ufo 1428 00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,760 that appeared to be in trouble a typical 1429 00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,520 disc shaped one and it was kind of 1430 00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,319 wobbling and it was very erratic and it 1431 00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,680 definitely seemed to be having some 1432 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,720 problems 1433 00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,520 and another ufo of identical shape and 1434 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,160 size came over and hovered over the 1435 00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,520 first one until the first one stabilized 1436 00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,119 and they actually have a picture of it 1437 00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,079 on in some ufo books now that sounds 1438 00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,760 more credible to me 1439 00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,680 where they do have mechanical problems 1440 00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:32,480 they 1441 00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,559 on their way 1442 00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,799 so i look at it this way when people say 1443 00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,720 yeah how could they be so advanced but 1444 00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,640 you know the thing breaks down or it 1445 00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:44,799 crashes because it comes in contact with 1446 00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,920 radar waves and whatever but i sometimes 1447 00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,559 think you know us right now if we look 1448 00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,480 at the kind of pinnacle of science or 1449 00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,040 whatever we can maybe look at those 1450 00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,000 scientists who are creating the cutting 1451 00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:00,799 edge satellites you know go into orbit 1452 00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,920 for nasa or whoever and so we think you 1453 00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,599 know compared to 1454 00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,319 500 years ago when 1455 00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,799 you know the technology was that level 1456 00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,119 people from 500 years ago if they were 1457 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,960 kind of brought forward in time and they 1458 00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,040 saw that we could you know fly around 1459 00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,040 the world in less than a day and 1460 00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,520 whatever they would think that we must 1461 00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,359 be completely flawless and got 1462 00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,319 everything sussed yes even even the 1463 00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,400 pinnacle of our technology with the best 1464 00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,960 of people and materials still fails kind 1465 00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:32,960 of quite a lot yeah 1466 00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,400 disconceivable theirs could as well i i 1467 00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,040 do believe it does but i don't think uh 1468 00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,520 catastrophic or although it could be 1469 00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,640 i don't think 1470 00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:43,599 where 1471 00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,480 their craft on the crash craft or 1472 00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,240 something like that um 1473 00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,680 the other thing to bear in mind too it's 1474 00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:54,000 kind of like our intelligence here 1475 00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:55,119 if we go 1476 00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,720 on a mission 1477 01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,119 you know navy seals or whatever 1478 01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,520 and one of our planes or helicopters 1479 01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,640 crashes 1480 01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,200 we will do everything possible 1481 01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,119 to prevent that getting into enemy hands 1482 01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,119 not that it doesn't happen 1483 01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,520 yeah it's routine you don't want 1484 01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,200 the primitive earthlings to have 1485 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,359 evidence of your technology even if they 1486 01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,760 didn't understand it 1487 01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,119 and the other thing to consider though 1488 01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:20,799 also when you think about the 1489 01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,359 possibility of a physical ufo from outer 1490 01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,000 space crashing well maybe it was built 1491 01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,359 by the lowest bidder 1492 01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,200 that's a good point and gene you are 1493 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,440 exactly right um 1494 01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,480 um 1495 01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,200 we you know with our technology 1496 01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:39,440 where we are right now we would not 1497 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,640 abandon uh any a downed aircraft would 1498 01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,280 do everything we could to recover it and 1499 01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,119 and one thing you'll notice about a lot 1500 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,400 of these saucer crash stories is that 1501 01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,640 they never talk about other saucers 1502 01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:54,960 coming in trying to recover it you know 1503 01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:57,200 and and that's kind of a giveaway 1504 01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:58,400 that it's 1505 01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,720 um almost certainly fabricated because 1506 01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,160 here's a crazy theory what if the crash 1507 01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,599 was staged by the extraterrestrials or 1508 01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:10,640 whoever 1509 01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,319 be because they actually kind of want to 1510 01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,200 give us they wanted to seed us with this 1511 01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,359 technology and see what the crazy humans 1512 01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,920 do with it imagine it was actually on 1513 01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:23,119 purpose 1514 01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,680 i don't think so gogs um because um 1515 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,240 uh uh have you guys heard of robert 1516 01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:31,920 hastings 1517 01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:34,960 yeah uh good good he wrote a book on 1518 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,720 ufos and nukes and uh and um 1519 01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:41,040 it does appear 1520 01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,640 that ufos 1521 01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,839 have a particular interest in our uf in 1522 01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:48,240 our nuclear technology 1523 01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:48,960 and 1524 01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,480 to the point where 1525 01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:55,680 they have actually shut down 1526 01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:58,720 nuclear missile silos and 1527 01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:02,960 um i actually met robert salas 1528 01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:05,760 who was at one of these 1529 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,799 nuclear 1530 01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:09,520 bases out in the midwest somewhere and 1531 01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,240 uh 1532 01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,640 and i was fascinated to hear now he 1533 01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,200 didn't actually see it but his men who 1534 01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:17,520 were above ground he was down in the 1535 01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,960 control room underground and uh 1536 01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,119 their description of the ufo and how it 1537 01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,400 came over shut down the missile um 1538 01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,720 and in another case robert hastings 1539 01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,839 talks about a you a ufo actually 1540 01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,359 reprogramming 1541 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,280 um the 1542 01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:37,680 targeting information that the missile 1543 01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,480 had 1544 01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,359 and 1545 01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,240 you know doing things like that 1546 01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,520 and i 1547 01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:44,880 think 1548 01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:49,920 you about the technology as i get more 1549 01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,799 into it 1550 01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,359 i think we may be closer to 1551 01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,640 understanding ufo technology uh than 1552 01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,440 people realize we may be within a decade 1553 01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,319 or or even sooner probably probably a 1554 01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:05,280 decade or two decades and uh 1555 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:06,079 and 1556 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,720 probably is 1557 01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,799 some kind of federation of advanced 1558 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:14,400 civilizations 1559 01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:15,200 and 1560 01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,839 um 1561 01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:22,559 want to prevent 1562 01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,280 a developing civilization like ours once 1563 01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,440 we have the ability to travel to other 1564 01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,920 star systems they want to they don't 1565 01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:32,400 want us to be bringing nuclear weapons 1566 01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,599 to other federation planets or even 1567 01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,599 non-federation planets 1568 01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:39,680 sounds like the day the earth stood 1569 01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,559 still 1570 01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,760 we got more to come with robert 1571 01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,480 schroeder and goggs makai is our guest 1572 01:03:52,050 --> 01:03:46,720 co-host i'm gene steinberg you're in the 1573 01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,230 [Music] 1574 01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,240 of the rockoids has been well received 1575 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i also thought 1706 01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,319 of dave earth stood still 1707 01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,480 where we were basically warned 1708 01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,120 about our evil practices by the alien 1709 01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,480 clatto 1710 01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,679 and then he said if you don't get your 1711 01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,199 act together we'll take care of it for 1712 01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,120 you and you're not going to be here 1713 01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,839 so do you think that if e.t is part of a 1714 01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,359 federation 1715 01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:36,560 if they're concerned about our use of 1716 01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:40,560 nuclear weapons or warlike behavior 1717 01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,279 do you think they wouldn't take 1718 01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,920 matters into their own hands if we try 1719 01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:46,960 to 1720 01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,080 space 1721 01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,480 i think um maybe a slightly different 1722 01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,520 angle 1723 01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,600 i believe that all developing 1724 01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,159 civilizations undoubtedly have a history 1725 01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:00,800 of conflict on their planets and it's 1726 01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,000 just the nature of any kind of beings 1727 01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,000 that are in competition with one another 1728 01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,800 for various for various reasons you know 1729 01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:10,320 and a lot of people would disagree with 1730 01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,719 me on this but i believe as time goes on 1731 01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:17,760 developing civilizations become more and 1732 01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:20,719 more civilized and you can see it 1733 01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,080 literally on planet earth here the last 1734 01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,280 major world wars were back in the mid 1735 01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,719 20th century 1736 01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:30,480 but with the development of nuclear 1737 01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:31,520 weapons 1738 01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,360 it becomes way too dangerous to have 1739 01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,600 these made these wars between major 1740 01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,040 nuclear powers 1741 01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,840 way too dangerous and that's undoubtedly 1742 01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,239 part of the reason we haven't had any 1743 01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,199 really bad worldwide wars 1744 01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,440 so although nuclear weapons are very 1745 01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,920 very dangerous they also have a benefit 1746 01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,800 they do keep these terrible wars from 1747 01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,440 occurring that have occurred throughout 1748 01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,280 human history 1749 01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,800 probably peaking in the mid 20th century 1750 01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,880 but i also believe that 1751 01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,560 civilizations become more and more 1752 01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,400 civilized and i'll give you an example 1753 01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,760 of this 1754 01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,199 it used to be that 1755 01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,760 most of the planet way back in the oh i 1756 01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,080 don't know a thousand years ago was 1757 01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,719 basically pretty poor uh people had to 1758 01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,320 you know scrape out a living from 1759 01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:22,560 farming and stuff like that 1760 01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,600 but as time has gone on scientific and 1761 01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,159 technological advances have made life 1762 01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,719 easier and easier for more and more 1763 01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,840 people 1764 01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,199 you look at 1765 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,880 india today 1766 01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,120 their technology is 1767 01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,679 advancing by leaps and bounds they're 1768 01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,520 building roads they're 1769 01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,120 you know they're really you remember 1770 01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,800 they have their own kind of version of 1771 01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,920 silicon valley uh we do an awful lot of 1772 01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,480 uh gene you may be familiar with this uh 1773 01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:52,960 they do an awful lot of the software for 1774 01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,000 western computer companies and stuff and 1775 01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,080 when i worked at hewlett-packard i used 1776 01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,360 to deal with the people in india so 1777 01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,600 as technology spreads around the planet 1778 01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,400 now think about communist china up until 1779 01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,320 the 70s they were dirt poor they were 1780 01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:11,760 doing terrible but as as nixon opened up 1781 01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,120 um a trade with them um and we and it 1782 01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,280 was kind of a day taunt i guess you 1783 01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,920 could call it uh they began 1784 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,719 as they realized communism simply wasn't 1785 01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,040 working they began adopting western 1786 01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,920 market systems and they began looking at 1787 01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,159 and that helped them get technology 1788 01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:32,480 moving along and look at them today it's 1789 01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,360 amazing you go to home depot and half 1790 01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,840 the stuff is made in china you know and 1791 01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,600 europe of course has been advanced for 1792 01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,159 quite a while in africa 1793 01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,679 people may have heard of the country of 1794 01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:45,199 botswana 1795 01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,719 many other african countries which had 1796 01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,800 wanted to have you know marxist-type 1797 01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,840 governments instead they went toward 1798 01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,159 free markets and toward 1799 01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,280 allowing foreign investment sure enough 1800 01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,440 their economy took off and they're doing 1801 01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,159 terrific and some of the south american 1802 01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,560 countries ditto and so i think 1803 01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,640 prosperity is spreading around the 1804 01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,800 planet and as people become more 1805 01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,320 prosperous 1806 01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,800 i think there'll be less conflict 1807 01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,719 because people will have what they need 1808 01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,320 they won't have to invade their neighbor 1809 01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:23,360 to get it you know and uh and so i think 1810 01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,239 this is replicated across the universe 1811 01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,560 uh other developing civilizations go 1812 01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,840 through exactly the same 1813 01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,960 process let me ask you something here we 1814 01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,520 are really viewing intelligent life in 1815 01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,719 the universe 1816 01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,600 in terms of the human experience 1817 01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,719 yep 1818 01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,520 okay why assume that why assume we could 1819 01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,560 even understand alien motivations alien 1820 01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:49,120 consciousness the form in which aliens 1821 01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,239 would take why also consider the fact 1822 01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:54,480 that maybe now if they're thousands of 1823 01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,080 years ahead of us or hundreds of 1824 01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,080 thousands of years we may not even 1825 01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:59,600 recognize them as 1826 01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,560 real 1827 01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,880 beings and maybe what we see in terms of 1828 01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,800 ufos is just 1829 01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,360 an illusion or an impression based on 1830 01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,440 the fact that we can't actually 1831 01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:11,600 understand who and what they are 1832 01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,040 socaro new mexico uh the two humanoids 1833 01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,360 that were there one of them reacted 1834 01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:20,640 exactly as a human would react startled 1835 01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,679 and that's a strong suggestion that they 1836 01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,320 are humanoid like we are another one was 1837 01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:28,560 down in new zealand i can't remember the 1838 01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,870 1958 i think it was 1958. it was in new 1839 01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,159 zealand 1840 01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,719 a farmer's wife was 1841 01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,560 i think it was early morning it was 1842 01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:43,040 still dark and she saw 1843 01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,080 a 1844 01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,840 ufo coming 1845 01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,000 from way up straight down 1846 01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,920 and had a bright green light it lit up 1847 01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,120 the patty 1848 01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,679 that's the term they use for a field and 1849 01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,280 she dropped her milk bucket she was 1850 01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,080 going out to melt the cows and um 1851 01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:00,880 she jumped into some bushes and this 1852 01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:04,239 typical disc shaped ufo came down and uh 1853 01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,120 and 1854 01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,600 it was typical in the sense that it had 1855 01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,159 a cupola on the top a clear dome on the 1856 01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,080 top and 1857 01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:14,719 and then she noticed around the rim 1858 01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,719 there were flames shooting in opposite 1859 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:19,280 directions uh like 1860 01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:22,880 located uh evenly spaced or like jets 1861 01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,600 but 1862 01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,679 one set of jets was rotating in one 1863 01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,360 direction the other in the opposite 1864 01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,239 direction stabilization for certain and 1865 01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,920 uh and 1866 01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,480 the the light went on in the dome and 1867 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:36,800 she could see two humanoids 1868 01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,760 one of them stood up and put his hands 1869 01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,679 on what appeared to be the instrument 1870 01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,360 panel she couldn't see that because it 1871 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,679 was below the rim but she could clearly 1872 01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,920 see he was leaning forward as if looking 1873 01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,000 down on the ground then he sat down 1874 01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,600 again and they were sitting tandem 1875 01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:54,400 seated uh one in front of the other and 1876 01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,199 so 1877 01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,120 and then the light went back out and the 1878 01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,520 thing took off but but let me ask you 1879 01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,880 something robert because we're talking 1880 01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:02,640 about physical craft again you don't 1881 01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,199 think something like that was staged 1882 01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,199 for our benefit maybe that's not even 1883 01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,840 what happened i know no i think the 1884 01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,600 reason i believe that her sighting was 1885 01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:14,080 real is because it occurred at the same 1886 01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,960 time 1887 01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,199 that uh what was that place i'm trying 1888 01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:19,600 to think of the name uh there was 1889 01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,640 another sighting moana something like 1890 01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,040 that uh new guinea it was in new guinea 1891 01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:26,880 and it was literally within a week of 1892 01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,360 that sighting uh where 1893 01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,960 and uh 1894 01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:33,360 goggs might know about this one it's a 1895 01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,560 missionary 1896 01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,199 we'll have more of this in a moment with 1897 01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:39,440 robert schroeder and gene and goggs 1898 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,270 thank you for listening to gcn 1899 01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:54,189 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the gold standard of paranormal 2014 01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:15,880 radio 2015 01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,510 we have robert schroeder 2016 01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,760 and gene and gogg's makai 2017 01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,239 coming in here and we're talking about 2018 01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:30,159 the evidence for ufos and i really want 2019 01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,320 to push more into the technology but 2020 01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,560 once again when i'm telling you this 2021 01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,560 why are we assuming 2022 01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:38,880 robert that when you describe a physical 2023 01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,360 ufo physical creatures all that that 2024 01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,199 what we're seeing is what we're getting 2025 01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,120 well when we get into the technology 2026 01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:47,600 you'll get a better uh idea i want to do 2027 01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,000 that starting in this segment okay okay 2028 01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,120 yep good so in the papua new guinea 2029 01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,280 sighting i was a missionary that goggs 2030 01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,639 had mentioned there 2031 01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:58,800 and that was a very fascinating one 2032 01:22:02,629 --> 01:21:59,679 because 2033 01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,639 again they saw these humanoid creatures 2034 01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,960 and they reacted very much like we would 2035 01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,199 react at the mission at first they were 2036 01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,199 just astounded and they were just 2037 01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:11,040 watching this thing was probably no more 2038 01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,159 than a 2039 01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,239 300 feet away from them about the length 2040 01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,880 of a football field and maybe 2041 01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,560 a couple hundred feet in the air but 2042 01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,639 they could clearly see these humanoid 2043 01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,440 creatures walking around on the top 2044 01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,199 surface of the ufo 2045 01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,520 and then they spotted two more ufos that 2046 01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,600 were floating in the background and they 2047 01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,840 appeared to be working on the top they 2048 01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,840 appeared to be doing something but at 2049 01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,920 one point one of these humanoids came 2050 01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,400 over and it appeared to be like a 2051 01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,040 railing or a rim at the top and he put 2052 01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,320 his elbows on the rim exactly as a human 2053 01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:46,400 would put it on the railing of a ship or 2054 01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,360 something 2055 01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:49,120 and he was looking down at the people 2056 01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:50,000 below 2057 01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,880 who were 2058 01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:53,120 a bit of a distance away but not that 2059 01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,000 far 2060 01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,880 and so somebody got the idea to wave 2061 01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,120 so they waved at this creature and to 2062 01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,600 their astonishment the humanoid wave 2063 01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,560 back with one hand so at that point the 2064 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,480 minister i'm not sure the missionary i 2065 01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:08,159 guess you call him missionary 2066 01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:11,440 he thought huh what if i wave both arms 2067 01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,080 above my head and see what happens see 2068 01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,760 what happens then so he did he waved 2069 01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,239 both arms above his head and the 2070 01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,960 creature exactly imitated that move wave 2071 01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,040 both arms indicating there was a real 2072 01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,600 communication there he understood monkey 2073 01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,400 monkey do kind of thing exactly and it 2074 01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,880 was kind of like to indicate yes i 2075 01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,320 understand what you're doing you're 2076 01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:35,040 trying to make sure this is real it is 2077 01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,760 and 2078 01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,159 but then after a while the the humanoid 2079 01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,920 went back to the others and but 2080 01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,400 eventually all four of the humanoids 2081 01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,400 came to the railing and were waving at 2082 01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,040 the people below and then finally they 2083 01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:48,560 got back inside the aircraft and the 2084 01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,840 thing took off 2085 01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,120 the reason i'm mentioning these 2086 01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:53,760 humanoids is because we are seeing 2087 01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:56,080 humanoids in the more credible cases 2088 01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,880 over and over again so i do believe they 2089 01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:01,520 are really flesh and blood and when we 2090 01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,560 get into the technology uh gene and gogs 2091 01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,480 i think you'll see why 2092 01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,199 we may actually be on the threshold of 2093 01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,040 doing the same thing going to other 2094 01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,040 planets robert i've got a question to 2095 01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,199 kind of start bringing the technology 2096 01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,880 aspect and 2097 01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,639 just a point to make as well i'm 2098 01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,719 wondering what you think current 2099 01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,280 sciences understanding of 2100 01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,159 what actually gravity is how is it 2101 01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,239 generated we might be able to measure it 2102 01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,000 and things like that but nobody's got an 2103 01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:32,960 actual idea how it's kind of created and 2104 01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,199 how that all really works but what i was 2105 01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,600 going to bring up is do you think it 2106 01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:40,159 would be the same technology that is 2107 01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,920 used to do the great distances you know 2108 01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,679 the the light years to travel do you 2109 01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,159 think that is the exact same propulsion 2110 01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,719 technology that is used to fly in our 2111 01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,239 atmosphere or do you think there may be 2112 01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,480 two totally different propulsion 2113 01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:56,960 technologies going on actually when i 2114 01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:59,120 get into the technology you'll see it's 2115 01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,239 actually 2116 01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,080 different but it's shared there's 2117 01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,080 certain aspects of it that are def that 2118 01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,480 i think are definitely shared oh as far 2119 01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,719 as gravity einstein in his field 2120 01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:11,360 equations was able to explain gravity in 2121 01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:14,320 the sense that it's due to the warping 2122 01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,199 or curvature of space-time itself but 2123 01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:18,880 the thing that we don't know about 2124 01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:22,560 gravity is the quantum aspect of gravity 2125 01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,760 uh that is the existence of the graviton 2126 01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,120 the particle 2127 01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,960 that would carry the gravity force 2128 01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,120 although virtually all physicists 2129 01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,360 believe it does exist but we've never 2130 01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:35,520 seen it the other three fundamental 2131 01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,800 forces we've detected and and studied 2132 01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,360 the particles that carry those the other 2133 01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,600 three fundamental forces but i'm kind of 2134 01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:45,679 getting into the technology here a 2135 01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,560 little ahead of myself here i really 2136 01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,719 want to get into the technology now 2137 01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:53,120 because of the fact that we have only 2138 01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,480 another 2139 01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,400 five and a half segments left and this 2140 01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,239 is going to be a fun thing to focus on 2141 01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,480 because it's not something we've covered 2142 01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,800 much of on the power cast 2143 01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,639 and that is how we lead to this and when 2144 01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,239 you talk about warping space and 2145 01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,639 everything is a possible way for them to 2146 01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,480 travel through space 2147 01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,400 you bring to mind 2148 01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:13,760 star trek 2149 01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,639 warp drive and the fact that is 2150 01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,040 our scientists are trying 2151 01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,960 to replicate 2152 01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,120 some of the scientific achievements 2153 01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,760 envisioned in that tv show of course 2154 01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:28,239 we have clam shells smartphones cell 2155 01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,120 phones that kind of thing and tablets 2156 01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,639 they've talked about trying to have a 2157 01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,600 matter 2158 01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:36,400 transportation system a transporter that 2159 01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,040 they're working on and warp drive 2160 01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,840 so you're telling us about the sightings 2161 01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,560 that indicate how ufos are traveling but 2162 01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,880 how do we transfer that and understand 2163 01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,040 we're not scientists here how do we 2164 01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:51,679 transfer that to technology that people 2165 01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,560 in the 21st century can actually harness 2166 01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:56,719 and use because right now in our space 2167 01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:59,199 program we're just putting people on top 2168 01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,920 of 2169 01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,360 firecrackers 2170 01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,560 basically yes 2171 01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,480 but that's the same technology we were 2172 01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:05,840 using 2173 01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:08,560 back decades ago how do we get to the 2174 01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,520 next level what's going on okay that's 2175 01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,400 the key the key is um uh what's going on 2176 01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,960 in modern physics and and to give you a 2177 01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,719 quick background and everybody will be 2178 01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,239 able to understand this 2179 01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,560 what happened is um many people have 2180 01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:24,719 probably heard of the unified field 2181 01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,159 theory okay or and now it's 2182 01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,639 now it's known as the theory of 2183 01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,560 everything and 2184 01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:35,120 basically i'll just go through this uh 2185 01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,480 real quick it's not 2186 01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:38,639 absolutely essential to understand 2187 01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,600 each my new detail as just the overall 2188 01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,360 picture that's important 2189 01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,199 uh you can think of 2190 01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:47,440 the actual physical universe is 2191 01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:50,080 consisting of just three things 2192 01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,679 space time itself whatever that is okay 2193 01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,280 believe it or not we don't really know 2194 01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:57,920 exactly what space time is it's 2195 01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:00,560 something but we don't know what it is 2196 01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,840 and matter particles and force particles 2197 01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,080 that's it just those three matter 2198 01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,040 particles force particles and space time 2199 01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:10,800 and the interaction of those three 2200 01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,159 things creates everything we see around 2201 01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:16,960 us so everybody's familiar with an 2202 01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,000 electron and atoms an electron is a 2203 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,639 matter particle nucleus of an atom 2204 01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,199 consists of quarks protons neutrons 2205 01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,440 which in turn are made up of particles 2206 01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,840 called quarks those are metaparticles 2207 01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,920 and then there's neutrinos and that's 2208 01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,600 about it that's about all the matter 2209 01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,840 particles there are you know most people 2210 01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:37,679 don't realize it but there's only about 2211 01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,040 four basic matter particles ditto for 2212 01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,040 forced particles that carry the forces 2213 01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,920 of nature so the electromagnetic force 2214 01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,400 is carried by photons and most people 2215 01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,639 are familiar with that 2216 01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,800 but the strong nuclear force which holds 2217 01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,360 the nucleus together is is carried by 2218 01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:57,760 particles called gluons of forced 2219 01:29:03,270 --> 01:28:59,600 particles and 2220 01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,280 radioactivity is what causes some atoms 2221 01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,320 to decay uh so like uranium decays 2222 01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,239 naturally and 2223 01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,639 that decay process is 2224 01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,040 caused by something called the weak 2225 01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:15,199 nuclear force so you have the strong 2226 01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,080 nuclear force carried by gluons and 2227 01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,800 notice the word glue gluons holding the 2228 01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,719 nucleus together 2229 01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,719 physicists have a sense of humor and 2230 01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,880 then the weak nuclear force is 2231 01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:29,520 responsible for radioactive decay 2232 01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:30,239 and 2233 01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,639 particles earth so that's it so there's 2234 01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,440 only four fundamental uh forces in 2235 01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:43,840 nature and there's three non-gravity 2236 01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:46,400 forces the strong nuclear force the weak 2237 01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,120 nuclear force and electromagnetism and 2238 01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:51,600 the particles that carry them and then 2239 01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,639 there's gravity which is actually caused 2240 01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:56,719 by the curvature or the warping of 2241 01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,000 space-time but it is believed that a 2242 01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:02,880 quantum particle keep in mind that the 2243 01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:05,679 electron is a quantum particle uh the 2244 01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:08,800 gluon is a quantum particle the the w 2245 01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:11,120 plus w minus the carry the weak nuclear 2246 01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:13,360 force or quantum particles 2247 01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,679 um they've detected all of those 2248 01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:17,840 non-gravity quantum particles in 2249 01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:20,639 particle accelerators but 2250 01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:24,159 the graviton which is the hypothetical 2251 01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:26,960 uh gravity uh quantum particle they have 2252 01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,120 never detected directly 2253 01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:31,040 let's do our breakthrough sir 2254 01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,400 more to come 2255 01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:34,719 we're spelling out the science of space 2256 01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:37,600 travel or ufo travel with robert 2257 01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:40,159 schroeder and gene and goggs you're in 2258 01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:49,189 [Music] 2259 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:52,470 thank you for listening to gcn 2260 01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:53,320 visit 2261 01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:59,990 neighbors i want to 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hours 2362 01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,440 over the weekend 2363 01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,440 we've got robert schroeder we're talking 2364 01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,440 about ufo 2365 01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,840 propulsion systems and he's laying out 2366 01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,440 the science here 2367 01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,760 and i know it's hard to 2368 01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:39,920 sometimes grasp some of the intricacies 2369 01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:41,679 and i hope that he'll just 2370 01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:44,960 give us the best he can in terms of 2371 01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:46,719 trying to 2372 01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:49,199 explain it to everybody who's not a 2373 01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:50,639 scientist and doesn't have a couple of 2374 01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,480 degrees in their hip pocket 2375 01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:54,080 robert go ahead please 2376 01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:57,120 okay so i had to unfortunately go 2377 01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,719 through some of those details because 2378 01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:01,280 they are important to the larger 2379 01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:04,159 bigger picture but the big thing if you 2380 01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:06,320 want to know what physicists are doing 2381 01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:07,920 one of the biggest things that they're 2382 01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,800 doing 2383 01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,639 is the theory of everything they're 2384 01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:12,080 trying to 2385 01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:15,760 theoretically end or experimentally 2386 01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:19,280 reunite the four fundamental forces of 2387 01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,239 nature 2388 01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:22,239 that is electromagnetism the weak 2389 01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,880 nuclear force the strong nuclear force 2390 01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,320 and gravity 2391 01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,080 and they've been working on this for 2392 01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:30,719 literally decades for heck close to a 2393 01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,560 century and uh 2394 01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,159 and now the reason they're trying to do 2395 01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:37,280 this is they believe that 14 billion 2396 01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,239 years ago at the time of the big bang 2397 01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:42,480 when the universe was created they 2398 01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,199 believe the four fundamental forces of 2399 01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,520 nature oh and let me just one little 2400 01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:48,880 aside here 2401 01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,159 physicists are to a certain extent more 2402 01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,400 interested in the forces of nature than 2403 01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,159 they are in the particle matter 2404 01:37:03,070 --> 01:36:58,800 particles of nature and the reason is 2405 01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:03,080 the forces make things happen like the 2406 01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:05,679 electromagnetic force in a lightning 2407 01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,719 bolt 2408 01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,119 and everybody knows that's a big thing 2409 01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,280 you know the forces of nature make 2410 01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,040 things happen so they're very very 2411 01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:16,159 important and anyway scientists believe 2412 01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:19,119 that way back 14 billion years ago the 2413 01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:21,600 four fundamental forces of nature were 2414 01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,040 united in a single super force 2415 01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,199 but then at the time of the big bang 2416 01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,000 they began to break into the uh forces 2417 01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,960 that we see today and the first two 2418 01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,119 forces that uh broke out 2419 01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,600 were the um would have been the gravity 2420 01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:39,360 would have been the first force that uh 2421 01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,480 broke out 2422 01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,400 and then what would have happened 2423 01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,239 then there was another force called the 2424 01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:46,560 goot force the grand unified theory 2425 01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,199 force so at the time of the big bang 2426 01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,000 another so the first two forces to break 2427 01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,719 out were gravity and the good force 2428 01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,320 and the gut force 2429 01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,280 is just an acronym and it stands for the 2430 01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,159 combination of the strong nuclear force 2431 01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,000 and something called the electro weak 2432 01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,320 force but then the electro weak force 2433 01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:08,800 broke out into electromagnetism and the 2434 01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,920 weak force 2435 01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,639 so 2436 01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,800 what they the scientists have actually 2437 01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,280 been able to reunite 2438 01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,600 the electromagnetic force and the weak 2439 01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:20,080 nuclear force into what i just mentioned 2440 01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:22,719 there the electro weak force we've 2441 01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,639 actually seen that electroweak force in 2442 01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,560 particle accelerators particle 2443 01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:31,520 accelerators for the audience here are 2444 01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:34,000 giant machines where they crash 2445 01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:36,400 subatomic particles like electrons 2446 01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:39,119 protons and stuff together at close to 2447 01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:41,119 the speed of light and they hope to 2448 01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:42,639 create 2449 01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,560 particles that they've never seen before 2450 01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,239 and they were actually able to create 2451 01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,719 this electro weak force and particle 2452 01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,119 accelerators they are now working on 2453 01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,679 trying to combine the electro weak force 2454 01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,360 with the strong force 2455 01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:01,760 which combine into what is known as the 2456 01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,040 gut force gut the grand unified theory 2457 01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,920 force and uh and they're kind of 2458 01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:09,119 they believe they're going to make 2459 01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:11,840 progress on that but there's one force 2460 01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:14,880 that they have not been able to include 2461 01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:17,920 in these unification theories and that's 2462 01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,440 gravity and gravity is the one force 2463 01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,600 that they haven't been able to include 2464 01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,280 and the question is 2465 01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:27,199 why not 2466 01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,159 and the reason is and this is the part 2467 01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:32,159 that surprises people 2468 01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,159 it's because gravity is much much weaker 2469 01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,520 than the other forces of nature and just 2470 01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,159 to give you an a a comparison 2471 01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:44,800 uh the non-gravity forces the weak force 2472 01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,840 the strong force and electromagnetism 2473 01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,960 are all relatively similar in strength 2474 01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:53,119 and so the electromagnetic force as a 2475 01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:55,040 comparison to gravity 2476 01:40:02,310 --> 01:39:58,880 is 10 to the 36 power 2477 01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,320 stronger than gravity okay now tell our 2478 01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,159 listeners what that means because we're 2479 01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,800 getting into math here and we're getting 2480 01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:08,639 into things that may be 2481 01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,560 a foreign language okay 2482 01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,880 yep absolutely and i was just about to 2483 01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:13,840 do that 2484 01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:16,560 10 to the 36th power means the number 2485 01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,960 one followed by 36 zeros okay 2486 01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:21,679 so 2487 01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,639 ten squared is one followed by two zeros 2488 01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,360 a hundred and a and ten cubed is a 2489 01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:29,760 thousand and a one followed by three 2490 01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:32,800 zeros and so you can you imagine 2491 01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:34,639 everybody in the audience out there can 2492 01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,320 you imagine one followed by not two two 2493 01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,400 zeros three zeros or five zeros or ten 2494 01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:43,440 zeros but 36 zeros 2495 01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:46,159 the difference in strength between um 2496 01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,440 the 2497 01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:49,840 electromagnetism and gravity is 2498 01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:52,400 staggering you know and 2499 01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,719 this is a huge problem in physics it's 2500 01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:59,119 actually has a name of its own because 2501 01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:00,560 it's something that nobody's been able 2502 01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,840 to figure out 2503 01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,880 and 2504 01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,719 it's actually called the hierarchy 2505 01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,119 problem and if you if anybody looks that 2506 01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,440 up on the internet they'll see you know 2507 01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,040 they'll see all this kind of 2508 01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:13,199 gobbledygook that i'm talking about here 2509 01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:16,239 and uh and so trying to figure out the 2510 01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,040 uh 2511 01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:18,719 the reason for 2512 01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,600 um 2513 01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:21,920 the the hierarchy problem the weakness 2514 01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:25,679 of gravity um is kind of like one of the 2515 01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,800 major 2516 01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:28,719 problems in physics that needs to be 2517 01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:31,280 solved uh anyway to make a long story 2518 01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,800 short 2519 01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:34,320 from 2520 01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,080 starting in about the 1970s and 1980s 2521 01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,480 the physicists have been working on all 2522 01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,480 kinds of theories 2523 01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,639 some of them working on the other forces 2524 01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:46,639 but many of them trying to figure out 2525 01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,800 the weakness of gravity and trying to 2526 01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:50,800 unify it with the 2527 01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,920 other forces of nature and um 2528 01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,080 and and again to me i'm not going to go 2529 01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:57,760 into all these different theories it 2530 01:42:01,750 --> 01:42:01,040 would just confuse people but 2531 01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:01,760 the 2532 01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,679 go into details on that but um 2533 01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,239 uh the critical thing is that these 2534 01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,320 theories are and this is the key issue 2535 01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:28,719 this is critical this is where i i think 2536 01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,840 the ufo 2537 01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,440 enigma phenomena is going to get 2538 01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,679 resolved 2539 01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,840 these new theories m theory string 2540 01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,600 theory are 2541 01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,800 require 2542 01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:40,880 the existence of 2543 01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:44,000 membranes and most importantly 2544 01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,239 extra dimensions 2545 01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,440 okay we thought you know for uh general 2546 01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,320 relativity and all physics theories uh 2547 01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,560 throughout most of the 20th century were 2548 01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,639 based on the idea that we lived in four 2549 01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,760 dimensions 2550 01:43:01,669 --> 01:43:00,880 three of space one of time pretty basic 2551 01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:01,679 um 2552 01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:04,880 and but now uh the latest theories are 2553 01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:08,800 suggesting we may live in an 11 2554 01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:12,400 dimension dimensional universe 2555 01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,679 and so uh and that's where i think we're 2556 01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:18,159 going to solve the ufo phenomenon of 2557 01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:21,920 these extra dimensions and and so can i 2558 01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,800 continue or do i have any more time 2559 01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:27,119 you have maybe two minutes for this 2560 01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,639 segment so let's go on then we'll 2561 01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,080 continue 2562 01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:31,760 okay so 2563 01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:32,880 um 2564 01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:35,760 so to solve the hierarchy problem uh 2565 01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:38,080 along comes a harvard physicist and 2566 01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:40,159 another physicist from john hopkins 2567 01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:41,360 university 2568 01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:43,840 and they came up with an idea 2569 01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,679 that maybe 2570 01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,400 the reason gravity is so weak in our 2571 01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:49,920 membrane 2572 01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:53,760 or our universe is because 2573 01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,159 the vast majority of gravitons that 2574 01:44:02,709 --> 01:43:59,760 carry the gravity force are not in our 2575 01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:02,719 universe they may be in these extra 2576 01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,679 dimensions and that is key 2577 01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:07,600 and they came up with a theory called 2578 01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:10,239 warped geometry notice here's where 2579 01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,159 we're getting into that term warped 2580 01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,840 again now it's ready to engage 2581 01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:16,800 yes 2582 01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,000 engage uh captain uh you know kirk or 2583 01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,639 whatever he's captain picard 2584 01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:24,800 making so we have one minute left with 2585 01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,920 this segment robert make it so 2586 01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:29,679 make it so 2587 01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:33,360 i love it and uh so um so anyway they 2588 01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,119 came up with a theory um that um uh it 2589 01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:39,600 looks like um there may be two membranes 2590 01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:43,199 spacetime membranes and and and in but 2591 01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:45,600 they're exactly parallel to each other 2592 01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:49,119 and in between is a space which they 2593 01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:51,320 refer to as the bulk 2594 01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,960 b-u-l-k 2595 01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,520 and we live on one of these membranes 2596 01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,280 and that's the universe we see when you 2597 01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:59,600 go out at night look at those stars 2598 01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:01,600 that's all part of the membrane we live 2599 01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,000 on it's a four dimensional membrane but 2600 01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,480 there's another one exactly parallel and 2601 01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,480 that's called the planck membrane named 2602 01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:10,880 after max planck the german physicist 2603 01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:13,280 who was considered the father of quantum 2604 01:45:16,390 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01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:02,719 standard of paranormal radio 2664 01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:07,320 and now here's jane steinberg 2665 01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:13,109 we have robert schroeder and we're 2666 01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,480 talking now 2667 01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,040 about the science 2668 01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:19,360 that may lead us to warp drive 2669 01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,239 understanding how ufos fly the book is 2670 01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:24,880 solving the ufo enigma class is in 2671 01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,920 session 2672 01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:27,119 um 2673 01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,119 engage 2674 01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,880 so anyway um 2675 01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,880 these scientists believe 2676 01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,320 that um 2677 01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:37,199 we live in a in a larger 11 dimensional 2678 01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,719 universe 2679 01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:40,800 and that 2680 01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:43,679 where we live on a spacetime membrane 2681 01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,480 and 2682 01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:46,239 there's another space-time membrane 2683 01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,199 exactly parallel to ours and our 2684 01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,119 membrane is actually called the weak 2685 01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:53,119 membrane referring to the fact that the 2686 01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:54,719 forces on our 2687 01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,239 membrane are not all that strong but 2688 01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:00,880 on the other uh end of the universe is 2689 01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,159 this plank membrane and in between 2690 01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,520 is an area called the bulk bulk 2691 01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,080 and so it's believed that 2692 01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:11,760 all the other particles all the 2693 01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:13,760 particles in nature all the matter 2694 01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:16,480 particles and all the forced particles 2695 01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:19,920 cannot leave the membrane we live on the 2696 01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:22,159 weak membrane that we live on 2697 01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:25,760 and that they're basically stuck on our 2698 01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:27,199 membrane 2699 01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:30,960 except for one particle the hypothetical 2700 01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,679 graviton that carries the gravity force 2701 01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:35,760 and the reason for this if you remember 2702 01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:38,000 further back i talked about string 2703 01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:40,080 theory well they think that all these 2704 01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,920 subatomic particles which they used to 2705 01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:44,880 think were infinitesimally small point 2706 01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,600 dots it was string theory that changed 2707 01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:49,920 all that and came up with the idea that 2708 01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:51,600 all these subatomic particles like 2709 01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,800 electrons and quarks and photons are 2710 01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:56,719 actually tiny little 2711 01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,560 wiggling strings 2712 01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,159 so they believe that 2713 01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,320 all the force and metaparticles are 2714 01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,400 stuck on our 2715 01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:07,280 space-time membrane our universe except 2716 01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:08,560 for one 2717 01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:09,760 which is 2718 01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,560 the graviton and the reason is all the 2719 01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:14,480 other particles are open strings with 2720 01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:17,360 two open ends and the two open ends are 2721 01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,400 actually attached to our space-time 2722 01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,040 membrane the weak membrane 2723 01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,840 the only one that is not is the graviton 2724 01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:27,840 which is a closed loop 2725 01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,800 which allows it to travel off this is 2726 01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:32,960 all part of this theory which allows it 2727 01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:35,520 to travel off of our membrane into the 2728 01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:38,880 bulk and move around out there and their 2729 01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:42,000 theory called warp geometry suggests 2730 01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,360 that the other 2731 01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,520 membrane that's parallel to ours 2732 01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,280 referred to as the 2733 01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:49,520 planck membrane 2734 01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,040 is warped in such a way that it attracts 2735 01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:56,239 the vast majority of gravitons and the 2736 01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:59,920 larger 11 dimensional universe toward 2737 01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:01,440 its surface 2738 01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:02,960 and what that means 2739 01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:04,840 is that 2740 01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:08,080 99.99999 percent of all the gravitons in 2741 01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,080 the larger universe are not on our a 2742 01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,480 spacetime membrane and that would 2743 01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,520 explain the hierarchy problem why 2744 01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,719 gravity is so weak in our universe 2745 01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:22,719 there's just not enough membranes to 2746 01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,360 carry the gravity force so part of their 2747 01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:26,800 theory and here's where we get to the 2748 01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,320 ufo connection 2749 01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,880 um suggests that 2750 01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:32,880 the strength of gravity increases 2751 01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,239 exponentially until it's 10 to this as 2752 01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,639 you go into the bulk that space between 2753 01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:41,040 the membranes and as you get closer to 2754 01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:43,840 the planck membrane that's parallel to 2755 01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:46,480 ours the strength of gravity inside the 2756 01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,679 bulk because that's where all the 2757 01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:50,239 gravitons 99.9999 2758 01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:52,000 percent are 2759 01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,560 increases to 10 to the 16 power stronger 2760 01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,320 than the gravity on our spacetime 2761 01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,639 membrane robert is could you could we 2762 01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,440 use the metaphor with gravity and a bit 2763 01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:05,520 like with an iceberg you know one 2764 01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,560 seventh is above the water surface 2765 01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,159 and gravity so you're kind of saying 2766 01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,239 that it's it's completely unbalanced 2767 01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:13,520 most of 2768 01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,040 the gravity 2769 01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:18,080 force if you like is in this kind of 2770 01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,119 mirror 2771 01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,840 yes a membrane two hours but yes exactly 2772 01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:23,760 we only see a bit of it okay it's in 2773 01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:26,159 that space in between the brains a 2774 01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:28,719 membranes they call them and uh and 2775 01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:31,520 here's the exciting part and this um the 2776 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:33,440 strength of gravity because the 2777 01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:35,920 gravitons that carry the gravity force 2778 01:52:42,830 --> 01:52:38,880 are attracted to the planck membrane so 2779 01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:42,840 the actual number of gravitons increases 2780 01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:46,159 exponentially as you get closer to the 2781 01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:48,960 planck membrane so there's just more and 2782 01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:51,679 more and more gravitons crammed up 2783 01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:54,560 together the closer you get to the 2784 01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,239 planck membrane 2785 01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,480 and in fact they believe 2786 01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:00,639 that gravity as you get to the surface 2787 01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:03,679 of the plank membrane increases to 2788 01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,199 10 to the 16 power the number one 2789 01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,080 followed by 16 zeros 2790 01:53:14,070 --> 01:53:12,480 stronger than the gravity we experience 2791 01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:14,080 on planet earth 2792 01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:16,080 this here it is 2793 01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:17,520 here here's the 2794 01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,920 payoff this the second i saw this theory 2795 01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,000 i said hey wait a minute general 2796 01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:24,840 relativity einstein's theory of gravity 2797 01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,239 says when gravity is strong distance 2798 01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:29,440 shrinks 2799 01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,719 okay is well understood and 2800 01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,800 well accepted in physics the thought 2801 01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,560 occurred to me what if you were able to 2802 01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,000 get a spaceship 2803 01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,280 and get into the bulk into that bulk 2804 01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,760 area if you went in far enough the 2805 01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:46,080 distance to other stars 2806 01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:47,520 shrinks to 2807 01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:50,239 a much smaller distance and to give you 2808 01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:51,360 an example 2809 01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:54,400 if you went into the point where gravity 2810 01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,400 is only 1 10 000 in the bulk one ten 2811 01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,119 thousandth of its maximum strength of 10 2812 01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:03,360 to the 16 stronger than the gravity on 2813 01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,560 planet earth 2814 01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:06,880 the distance to alpha centauri which is 2815 01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:10,560 25 trillion miles from planet earth 2816 01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,000 okay or 4.3 light years it would take 2817 01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,239 tens of thousands of years to get there 2818 01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:18,960 by rocket ship you know 2819 01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,480 that the distance instead of being 20 25 2820 01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:24,400 trillion miles 2821 01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,480 if you went into where gravity is only 2822 01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,800 one ten thousandth of its maximum 2823 01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:30,719 strength in that bulk between the 2824 01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:31,840 membranes 2825 01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:34,719 the distance ranks from 20 25 trillion 2826 01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:39,280 miles down to 25 miles 2827 01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:40,320 wow 2828 01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:42,800 yes exactly and when i did the 2829 01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:45,119 calculation i said holy cow 2830 01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:47,040 so if you could somehow get a spaceship 2831 01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,000 in there 2832 01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,280 you could you could drive or a car 2833 01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:53,760 properly equipped you could drive to 2834 01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:56,480 alpha centauri in half an hour depending 2835 01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:57,199 on 2836 01:55:02,070 --> 01:54:59,520 you know how how do how can we escape 2837 01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:02,080 our our kind of universe if you like or 2838 01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:04,159 get into another dimension from that'll 2839 01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:05,280 come 2840 01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:10,639 first uh lay out the theory of how i 2841 01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,960 think they're doing it and 2842 01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:14,400 and i think that's exactly what they're 2843 01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,040 doing and so you could literally drive 2844 01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:19,520 to alpha centauri in half an hour 2845 01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:21,760 depending on the speed limit and and the 2846 01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,400 bulk and and the uh intergalactic police 2847 01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:28,400 well 25 miles an hour we don't have a 2848 01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:31,119 big problem just take a a trip across 2849 01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:33,440 well okay that explains 2850 01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:35,920 how they do in star trek i guess 2851 01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:38,480 uh no star trek is different and star 2852 01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:40,159 trek they were talking about warping 2853 01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:43,119 space but uh the problem with doing that 2854 01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,400 as 2855 01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:46,960 even uh miguel alkaberry the mexican 2856 01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,119 physicist who had his theory the 2857 01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:52,000 alcaberry warp drive 2858 01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:52,960 yeah 2859 01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:55,280 uh he exactly the energy requirements 2860 01:56:02,070 --> 01:55:58,560 exactly gogs they're just too great but 2861 01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:02,080 we don't need to have the energy anymore 2862 01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,159 it looks like mother nature is providing 2863 01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:07,119 a pathway to the stars without us having 2864 01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:09,679 to warp space itself mother nature does 2865 01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:12,080 it for us and it solves the hierarchy 2866 01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,159 problem one of the biggest problems in 2867 01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:16,400 modern physics and that's what makes it 2868 01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,520 so exciting it's part of physics 2869 01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,320 our contemporary physics and it's 2870 01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,080 something that is very important to our 2871 01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:26,159 physics community and it looks like it 2872 01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:28,480 could also explain the ufo phenomenon 2873 01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,840 how they get here and i can um and i can 2874 01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:33,280 uh i don't know how much time we have 2875 01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:36,480 left in this segment um about a minute 2876 01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:39,040 about a minute but uh i believe the way 2877 01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,320 they get in there 2878 01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:43,199 is um if these extra dimensions exist 2879 01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,119 our particle accelerators will detect 2880 01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:47,360 them and if they do exist there'll be a 2881 01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:50,239 new type of particle called kalutsukline 2882 01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:54,000 particles kk particles and among those 2883 01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:55,360 particles will be something called the 2884 01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:58,159 kk graviton and i believe what these 2885 01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:01,440 ufos are doing is they are actually and 2886 01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:03,360 and here's the giveaway they're particle 2887 01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:05,760 accelerators that's why they're circular 2888 01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:08,239 and 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02:02:01,520 that's news at theparacast.com 3004 02:02:05,830 --> 02:02:03,360 and don't forget to visit our famous 3005 02:02:10,149 --> 02:02:05,840 paracast community forums at 3006 02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:11,990 so chris o'brien's at the international 3007 02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:14,400 ufo congress he's missing a fascinating 3008 02:02:17,669 --> 02:02:15,840 discussion here 3009 02:02:20,070 --> 02:02:17,679 where robert schroeder in the book 3010 02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:20,080 solving the ufo enigma how modern 3011 02:02:23,350 --> 02:02:22,159 physics is revealing the technology of 3012 02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:23,360 ufos 3013 02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,520 believes that he has found ways 3014 02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:27,679 to travel through space that may be 3015 02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:28,880 harnessed 3016 02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:32,000 by the forces behind ufos now you're 3017 02:02:35,109 --> 02:02:34,159 talking about things theoretically here 3018 02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:35,119 robert 3019 02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:36,400 practically 3020 02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,040 can we do it with our technology 3021 02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:41,119 well first of all i want to point out 3022 02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:43,520 that these are actually not my theories 3023 02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:46,639 they're being developed by cutting edge 3024 02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:48,800 theories that are being developed in the 3025 02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:51,920 physics community i'm just using their 3026 02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:53,040 theories 3027 02:02:57,270 --> 02:02:55,760 to explain the ufo phenomenon they're 3028 02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:57,280 using these theories to explain the 3029 02:03:02,629 --> 02:02:59,119 hierarchy problem but i realized it 3030 02:03:04,950 --> 02:03:02,639 could also apply to the ufos because 3031 02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:04,960 um as everybody does understand the 3032 02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:06,719 warping of space 3033 02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:08,560 is almost essential 3034 02:03:13,189 --> 02:03:10,719 you know whether we do it ourselves or 3035 02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:13,199 or mother nature does it in order to get 3036 02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:14,560 between the stars 3037 02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:17,040 and now it looks like that may very well 3038 02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:20,159 be the case that space mother nature 3039 02:03:24,629 --> 02:03:22,560 does provide a path for us to get to 3040 02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:24,639 other stars uh what was your question 3041 02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:26,880 again gene i'm afraid i lost track of it 3042 02:03:32,229 --> 02:03:30,159 there well i think how does our science 3043 02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:32,239 or can our science 3044 02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:33,760 harness 3045 02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:36,320 this technology if we know how it 3046 02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:38,639 theoretically can be done 3047 02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:41,119 what does it take for us to do it 3048 02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:43,040 excellent excellent question 3049 02:03:46,870 --> 02:03:44,480 it's perfect 3050 02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:46,880 first we have to discover whether these 3051 02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:50,000 extra dimensions really exist and 3052 02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,800 they are at the large hadron collider 3053 02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:54,880 particle accelerator in geneva 3054 02:03:59,990 --> 02:03:57,280 switzerland they are looking for 3055 02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:00,000 evidence of the extra dimensions and 3056 02:04:06,470 --> 02:04:03,040 they just increase the power of the 3057 02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:06,480 large hadron collider from 7 trillion 3058 02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:10,639 electron volts up to 14 trillion 3059 02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,639 electron volts they doubled it and 3060 02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:14,320 they're going to be starting a whole new 3061 02:04:18,709 --> 02:04:16,800 series of experiments i'm not sure if 3062 02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:18,719 they've started them yet but it will 3063 02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:20,880 take some time a couple of years to kind 3064 02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:22,639 of do these experiments and then they 3065 02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:23,760 have to 3066 02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:27,040 examine the data and analyze it to find 3067 02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,199 these new particles is going to be reams 3068 02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:31,360 and reams of data 3069 02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:32,880 and anyway 3070 02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:35,040 what they're looking for is when they do 3071 02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:36,560 these collisions 3072 02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:39,280 the law of conservation of energy says 3073 02:04:42,070 --> 02:04:40,880 if you put a certain amount of energy 3074 02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:42,080 into a 3075 02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:44,080 a reaction you have to get the same 3076 02:04:47,990 --> 02:04:46,719 amount coming out of it in a 3077 02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:48,000 and so 3078 02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:50,000 when they collide these particles 3079 02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:52,000 together they know how much energy is 3080 02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:53,040 going in 3081 02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:54,560 and then they look at all the particles 3082 02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,599 that are 3083 02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:57,760 that come flying out of these uh 3084 02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:58,960 collisions 3085 02:05:01,750 --> 02:04:59,760 and 3086 02:05:03,189 --> 02:05:01,760 so if there's a deficit in energy they 3087 02:05:06,790 --> 02:05:03,199 think it must have gone to the other 3088 02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,800 dimension exactly gogs exactly right on 3089 02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:08,800 the money that's exactly it and that's 3090 02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:11,360 what they're looking for and so i urge 3091 02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:13,599 everyone who's interested in the ufo 3092 02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,840 phenomenon or just physics 3093 02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:18,400 to keep an eye on what's going on at the 3094 02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:21,440 large hadron collider to see if they do 3095 02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:23,920 find this missing energy because if they 3096 02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:26,159 do it'll be the first evidence of the 3097 02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:29,440 extra dimensions and we may be on the 3098 02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,480 threshold of actually developing the 3099 02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:34,320 ability we may want to of course at that 3100 02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,880 point you know you scientists themselves 3101 02:05:41,669 --> 02:05:38,400 generally don't believe in the ufo 3102 02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:41,679 phenomenon but um it looks like modern 3103 02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:44,159 physics might actually explain uh how 3104 02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:46,239 the ufos are getting here 3105 02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:48,000 you said we would have to surround our 3106 02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:50,320 craft or something of which particles 3107 02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:52,400 and they would pull us into the the bulk 3108 02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:53,760 which 3109 02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:57,119 uh kaluza klein gravitons uh theodore 3110 02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:00,000 kaluza was a german physicist who lived 3111 02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:02,960 right up at the time of einstein and he 3112 02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:05,360 took einstein's theory of four 3113 02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,280 dimensions and brought it up to five 3114 02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:09,679 dimensions just to see what would happen 3115 02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:14,159 and and um and he's he realized 3116 02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:15,199 that 3117 02:06:19,709 --> 02:06:17,440 he could what happened is he suddenly 3118 02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:19,719 realized he could combine gravity with 3119 02:06:24,070 --> 02:06:22,320 electromagnetism if if 3120 02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:24,080 the the theory of general relativity 3121 02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:26,560 went from four dimensions to five 3122 02:06:29,990 --> 02:06:27,840 and that caused a great deal of 3123 02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:30,000 excitement unfortunately when they 3124 02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:32,000 discovered the other two sub 3125 02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:33,119 the other two 3126 02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:35,040 forces of nature the weak nuclear force 3127 02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:36,719 and the strong nuclear force they 3128 02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:39,520 weren't able to continue with that idea 3129 02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:41,440 it didn't work at that point 3130 02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:43,199 but another guy 3131 02:06:48,149 --> 02:06:45,599 by the name of oscar klein a swedish 3132 02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:48,159 physicist uh also worked on the idea of 3133 02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:50,639 extra dimensions and how big they might 3134 02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:53,760 be and that kind of thing and uh and so 3135 02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:56,079 they call and they and they predicted 3136 02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:57,760 both these they predicted from these 3137 02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:00,639 theories that if these extra dimensions 3138 02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:02,960 exist it would mean 3139 02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,040 that particles that we see which all 3140 02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,360 oscillate uh in the four of four 3141 02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,599 dimensions of space-time that we live in 3142 02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:11,119 it occurred to them that they would also 3143 02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:14,560 oscillate in the extra dimensions and 3144 02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:16,159 if they did 3145 02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:18,719 that would create new types of particles 3146 02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:20,960 that we have not yet seen that 3147 02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:23,840 oscillation is a type of energy and mass 3148 02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:25,840 is equal to energy e is equal to mc 3149 02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:27,360 squared so 3150 02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:28,320 um 3151 02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:30,000 that would indicate that there's a new 3152 02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:32,239 type of particles that we might see if 3153 02:07:37,189 --> 02:07:34,400 we see if these extra dimensions are 3154 02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:37,199 real and they are called kk particles 3155 02:07:40,629 --> 02:07:39,679 collusion particles but their natural 3156 02:07:44,069 --> 02:07:40,639 home 3157 02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:44,079 is the bulk and like e.t they want to go 3158 02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:45,119 home 3159 02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:47,360 so if you can surround your craft with 3160 02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:49,280 these kk particles 3161 02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:51,199 the craft will automatically move into 3162 02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,119 the bolt and i think that's exactly what 3163 02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:54,880 the ufos are doing 3164 02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:55,679 and 3165 02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:57,040 we may want to move i don't know how 3166 02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:59,199 much time we have we may want to move on 3167 02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:00,400 to another 3168 02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:03,840 key aspect of ufo technology is their 3169 02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,880 ability to overcome inertia 3170 02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:08,880 which is inertias the resistance to 3171 02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:11,599 acceleration and their ability to hover 3172 02:08:16,069 --> 02:08:14,320 in our atmosphere above planet earth i 3173 02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:16,079 so i don't know how much time we have 3174 02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:17,679 left go there anyway because i think 3175 02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:20,560 that's very interesting so i'm imagining 3176 02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:22,960 that you know somehow obviously 3177 02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:26,239 these craft they've come out of our uh 3178 02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:29,520 our inertias sphere of influence 3179 02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:32,400 so you know they're not subject to to 3180 02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:35,280 inertia in our kind of a dimension if 3181 02:08:38,629 --> 02:08:36,480 you like 3182 02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:38,639 but must be 3183 02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:40,880 you know in their own kind of inertial 3184 02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:42,960 bubble i take it is that 3185 02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:45,679 uh something like that guys i'll explain 3186 02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:48,239 how i think they're doing it um 3187 02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:50,639 at the heart of general relativity is a 3188 02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:52,880 postulate called the equivalence 3189 02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,639 principle um 3190 02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:56,960 the equivalence between inertial mass 3191 02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:00,079 and gravitational mass and uh and 3192 02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:02,639 and anyway uh that's uh literally 3193 02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:04,800 essential to make 3194 02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:08,239 uh general relativity uh work and uh and 3195 02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:11,040 nobody's been able to disprove it and uh 3196 02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:15,280 so um but um uh now inertia is the 3197 02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,239 resistance to acceleration so if you 3198 02:09:23,669 --> 02:09:20,800 have a very massive heavy object and you 3199 02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:23,679 try to oh take a bowling ball and let's 3200 02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:25,920 say you you run up to it and you kick it 3201 02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:28,800 what's going to happen to your foot 3202 02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:31,679 a couple of toes will be broken 3203 02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:33,760 because or a cannonball 3204 02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:35,840 it just isn't going to move that easily 3205 02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,280 on the other hand 3206 02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:39,520 um if you just had a 3207 02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:42,159 tennis ball or a ping-pong ball and you 3208 02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:44,079 hit it with your foot it would go flying 3209 02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:47,119 you know and and that's because uh the 3210 02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:50,159 much lower mass of the of the uh 3211 02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:53,040 ping-pong ball uh has much because it 3212 02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:57,280 has lower mass um uh its inertial mass 3213 02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,159 um uh is uh it's uh so it's 3214 02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:02,480 gravitational uh it's weight it's 3215 02:10:07,669 --> 02:10:05,360 gravitational weight is very light um 3216 02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:07,679 and that means that its inertial mass is 3217 02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:11,119 also very low they are equivalent and uh 3218 02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:12,719 and so 3219 02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:16,000 what i think the ufos are doing is this 3220 02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:17,679 you know what let's leave that as the 3221 02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:20,079 cliffhanger okay 3222 02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:21,760 robert schroeder with 3223 02:10:24,069 --> 02:10:22,639 gene 3224 02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:24,079 with gogs 3225 02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:37,860 [Music] 3226 02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:38,960 [Applause] 3227 02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:42,480 thank you for listening to gcn 3228 02:10:48,629 --> 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good question the key thing 3343 02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:36,960 is discovering these extra dimensions 3344 02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:38,960 and discovering if string theory and m 3345 02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:42,079 theory are correct and the fact that 3346 02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:45,119 these theories do solve the hierarchy 3347 02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:47,599 problem or actually i should say 3348 02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,560 warp geometry is a subset of m theory 3349 02:15:54,470 --> 02:15:52,400 the fact that it does solve the 3350 02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:54,480 hierarchy problem 3351 02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,840 does give it a lot of interest because 3352 02:16:02,830 --> 02:15:59,920 because that's such a big problem in 3353 02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:02,840 physics if we do discover these extra 3354 02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:05,199 dimensions then they're going to do 3355 02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:07,840 everything they can to see if this warp 3356 02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:10,400 geometry theory is correct the extra 3357 02:16:14,069 --> 02:16:12,079 dimensions by themselves 3358 02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:14,079 won't make it conclusive that warp 3359 02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:16,719 geometry is correct but certain other 3360 02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:19,360 things will indicate that warp geometry 3361 02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:22,079 is corr correct like the kk particles 3362 02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:23,920 and things like that well do you think 3363 02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,440 this is something we'll see in our 3364 02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:27,199 lifetimes because you and i are older 3365 02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:28,159 guys 3366 02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:30,320 that's true i'd say within the next 3367 02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:33,280 couple of years okay isn't that a mate 3368 02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:36,080 so therefore elon musk instead using the 3369 02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:39,040 firecrackers to send us to mars 3370 02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:40,880 if he can develop a craft like this he 3371 02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:43,200 could say you know what forget mars 3372 02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:45,920 let's go to zeta reticuli or something 3373 02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:49,120 exactly and gene if i could go back to 3374 02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:51,439 the hovering ability and the ability of 3375 02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:54,399 ufos to accelerate at blinding speeds 3376 02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:55,920 sure okay 3377 02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:58,559 because that's very critical too i i was 3378 02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:59,920 just kind of getting into that on the 3379 02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:01,120 last segment 3380 02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:03,040 what i think they're doing is this they 3381 02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,080 surround the craft with kk particles but 3382 02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:08,800 then uh they do it in such a way that 3383 02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:11,280 they're not pulled into the bulk um 3384 02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:13,120 they may be right on the edge of being 3385 02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:16,559 pulled in but these kk particles 3386 02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:17,760 also 3387 02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:22,559 induce the creation of micro black holes 3388 02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,519 okay 3389 02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:25,519 and micro black holes 3390 02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:28,000 happen to decay very quickly 3391 02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:30,800 but before they decay 3392 02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:33,679 they absorb light now everybody knows a 3393 02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:36,319 black hole is called a black hole 3394 02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:39,200 simply because as light gets near a 3395 02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:40,559 black hole 3396 02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,920 it does it can't escape so um you can't 3397 02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,240 see the black hole actually you know 3398 02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,399 so what happens is um 3399 02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:50,000 and actually what what actually does 3400 02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:50,880 happen 3401 02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:52,160 is the 3402 02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:54,880 the light is not swallowed by the black 3403 02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,040 hole exactly the light actually goes 3404 02:18:01,429 --> 02:17:59,439 into orbit around the black hole that's 3405 02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:01,439 that's what actually happens uh the 3406 02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:02,719 physicists 3407 02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:06,160 are aware of all this and um but 3408 02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:09,120 now light goes at the speed of light and 3409 02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:12,080 uh and so it's amazing that these black 3410 02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,319 holes can actually 3411 02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,479 grab these things and put them in orbit 3412 02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,719 or these photons and put them in orbit 3413 02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,399 around a black hole 3414 02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:22,559 then it occurred to me hey wait a minute 3415 02:18:26,309 --> 02:18:24,160 the only other particle that we know of 3416 02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:26,319 that travels at the speed of light is 3417 02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:27,599 guess what 3418 02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,280 the graviton 3419 02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:31,519 it's a massless particle it's predicted 3420 02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:34,880 to be massless and uh and so 3421 02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:36,240 the thought occurred to me hey wait a 3422 02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,080 minute if if a black hole can uh you 3423 02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:42,319 know basically more or less absorb a 3424 02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:45,439 photon couldn't it also absorb a 3425 02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:46,880 graviton 3426 02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:48,880 and uh and so 3427 02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:52,000 here's where it gets exciting um 3428 02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:53,920 it's so even though they haven't proved 3429 02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:56,399 the existence of gravitons yet 3430 02:19:04,230 --> 02:18:58,160 um 3431 02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:04,240 these gravitons 3432 02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:06,960 are are believed to be the cause of the 3433 02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:10,080 of the warping of space-time so in other 3434 02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:12,319 words the planet earth is constantly 3435 02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:15,280 creating these gravitons and they travel 3436 02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:18,000 up to 10 miles up five miles up three 3437 02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,160 miles up and more of them travel to 3438 02:19:24,309 --> 02:19:22,960 three miles than up to 10 miles and so 3439 02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:24,319 they warped 3440 02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,679 space time more closer or closer to 3441 02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:30,000 earth than further away 3442 02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,719 so 3443 02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:32,800 if a ufo which 3444 02:19:37,030 --> 02:19:35,280 some ufo researchers have estimated 3445 02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:37,040 these typical disc shaped ones weigh in 3446 02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:39,760 the range of 30 to 40 tons 3447 02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:42,639 if a ufo's is up there in the atmosphere 3448 02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:44,639 if it surrounds itself with these a 3449 02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:47,519 shroud of micro black holes 3450 02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,479 then these micro black holes 3451 02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:52,399 would absorb the gravitons coming up 3452 02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:54,800 from planet earth so instead of having a 3453 02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:57,920 graviton exchange between the ufo and 3454 02:20:01,910 --> 02:19:59,359 the planet earth 3455 02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:01,920 because the ufo creates gravitons too 3456 02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:03,920 and sends them down to planet earth 3457 02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:05,840 so instead of having this exchange that 3458 02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:07,520 exchange disappears 3459 02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:10,240 and the as far as the earth is concerned 3460 02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:13,280 it looks up and and it doesn't see a 3461 02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:16,560 40-ton object it might see a five pound 3462 02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,960 object that's all it sees because most 3463 02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:20,640 of the gravitons 3464 02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:23,600 have been absorbed by the ufo so that 3465 02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:26,479 that local area it just sees a much 3466 02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:30,319 lighter weight object and uh and that uh 3467 02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:33,120 because uh the lighter weight the lower 3468 02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,319 the equip it's effectively not actually 3469 02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:38,880 but effectively 3470 02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:42,160 a lower mass object and when it becomes 3471 02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:45,120 a lower mass object it also has 3472 02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:48,399 less inertial mass and because it has a 3473 02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:51,200 less because it has less inertial mass 3474 02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:53,280 it can accelerate with an action 3475 02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:55,120 reaction engine just like they saw in 3476 02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,640 cecaro 3477 02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,880 they can it can accelerate at blinding 3478 02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:00,720 speeds when it wants to 3479 02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,399 and and that's what i think they're 3480 02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,560 doing it's as simple as that 3481 02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,240 and so now one more thing i got to say 3482 02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:07,920 one more thing that's very important i'm 3483 02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:10,960 not sure how much time we have but um 3484 02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:12,960 the key to the future now 3485 02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:15,040 is i believe if we can get 3486 02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:18,479 spectrographic and uh if we can get find 3487 02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:20,720 out what the particle emissions are from 3488 02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:23,840 these ufos particle and electromagnetic 3489 02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:27,600 emissions from ufos we can deduce deduce 3490 02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:30,319 if it's if we see what they call hawking 3491 02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:33,920 radiation which is the uh spectrum of 3492 02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:36,319 decay what the um 3493 02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:39,280 when a black micro black hole decays it 3494 02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:40,720 produces something called hawking 3495 02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:44,319 radiation if we see hawking radiation 3496 02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:47,040 coming from these ufos it would indicate 3497 02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,800 that they are using these micro black 3498 02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:50,880 holes and it would be convincing 3499 02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:54,160 evidence they are using this technology 3500 02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:57,120 so that's the key to the future we need 3501 02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:00,399 the money to get the instrumentation 3502 02:22:05,429 --> 02:22:02,800 to try to detect what kind of radiation 3503 02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:05,439 is coming from ufos it has to be very 3504 02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:07,439 sophisticated none of the kind of stuff 3505 02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:08,399 we have now 3506 02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:10,960 geiger counters cannot do it we need a 3507 02:22:15,590 --> 02:22:13,359 an array of equipment 3508 02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:15,600 robert as you can see yeah i'm really 3509 02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:17,439 interested in all this and i haven't had 3510 02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:19,359 time to read your book yet but i'm 3511 02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:20,960 definitely going to have a look at it 3512 02:22:25,590 --> 02:22:22,880 because some of this kind of needs quite 3513 02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,600 a bit of digesting to to wrap your head 3514 02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:27,600 around it so i was gonna before we 3515 02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:29,520 finish i wanted to bring in just a 3516 02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:30,800 couple of questions that have been 3517 02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:33,680 posted in our question bank uh we've got 3518 02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:36,479 some here from eric the red who's been 3519 02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:39,439 posting for a few years and his first 3520 02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:41,840 question was are you aware of any 3521 02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:45,040 aerospace defense or nasa scientists or 3522 02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:48,640 engineers whose views on ufos inform 3523 02:22:53,510 --> 02:22:51,280 their work either on research and design 3524 02:22:56,150 --> 02:22:53,520 of aerospace vehicles or otherwise so i 3525 02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:56,160 think he's maybe saying these guys that 3526 02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:59,600 maybe do believe in ufos or think that 3527 02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:01,920 you know it may affect the way they look 3528 02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:04,560 at their work i'm not that i know of 3529 02:23:10,550 --> 02:23:06,880 there is a guy by the name of um his 3530 02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:10,560 last name is white um w-h-i-t-e i can't 3531 02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:13,120 remember his first name maybe gene or 3532 02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:14,640 you know cogs 3533 02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:16,960 he works down 3534 02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:19,280 at one of these laboratories i think 3535 02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:21,280 maybe in the houston area 3536 02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,160 and 3537 02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:23,840 uh they've been 3538 02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:25,920 i'm not sure what they're working on but 3539 02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:28,399 i don't um and i and i don't know if 3540 02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:29,359 they're 3541 02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:30,160 um 3542 02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:34,640 inspired by the ufo stories or not i i 3543 02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:36,399 honestly don't know 3544 02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:37,200 i 3545 02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:47,680 uh to um so 3546 02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,560 uh anyway that's what i think 3547 02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:52,479 we're going to break now folks 3548 02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:54,319 and we'll continue with one or two more 3549 02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:56,399 listener questions in our next segment 3550 02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,280 we're talking to robert schroeder 3551 02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:01,280 the book is called solving the ufo 3552 02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:03,520 enigma how modern physics is revealing 3553 02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:06,160 the technology of ufos 3554 02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:07,840 and what he's posing here is the 3555 02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:09,200 possibility 3556 02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:11,200 that if these theories work 3557 02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:12,240 we could 3558 02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:14,640 find ways to travel to the stars not 3559 02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:16,479 that will take 3560 02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:18,960 five years ten years or more 3561 02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:19,760 but 3562 02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:21,439 you know just like 3563 02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,520 going across town 3564 02:24:30,050 --> 02:24:25,439 with gene and goggs you're in the 3565 02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:37,960 [Music] 3566 02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:39,040 [Applause] 3567 02:24:46,550 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there's always a 3667 02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:10,880 stargate i saw that but again or that 3668 02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:14,560 involve wormholes and wormholes if 3669 02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:16,479 physicists believe they're extremely 3670 02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:19,439 unstable they only last for 3671 02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:20,880 nanoseconds 3672 02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:24,080 and carl schwartz child 3673 02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:25,120 was the guy 3674 02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:28,800 incredibly way back in 1916 einstein 3675 02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:31,920 published the field equations at in i 3676 02:29:36,230 --> 02:29:33,680 think november december 3677 02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:36,240 of 1915 3678 02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:38,319 and a couple months later probably 3679 02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:40,399 february march or something like that a 3680 02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:42,880 german soldier believe it or not on the 3681 02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:44,560 eastern front this is of course in the 3682 02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:46,880 middle of world war one by the name of 3683 02:29:51,990 --> 02:29:49,280 lieutenant carl schwarzschild who 3684 02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:52,000 actually was a an astronomer in private 3685 02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:54,160 life before he was in the military 3686 02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:57,120 he was the first guy to come up with an 3687 02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:59,840 exact solution to the field equations so 3688 02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:01,920 you can imagine einstein was back in 3689 02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:04,720 berlin at this time you can imagine his 3690 02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:07,280 shock when he got schwartz child 3691 02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:09,760 solution and the schwarzschild solution 3692 02:30:15,990 --> 02:30:13,359 is black holes but it actually took 3693 02:30:18,070 --> 02:30:16,000 several decades later before they fully 3694 02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:18,080 understood the implications of the 3695 02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:20,000 schwarzschild solution 3696 02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:21,680 they realized that it was it actually 3697 02:30:27,510 --> 02:30:24,880 represented two black holes connected by 3698 02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:27,520 a wormhole but they've done a great deal 3699 02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:29,920 of theoretical research on these things 3700 02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:32,399 and they believe that they are very very 3701 02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:34,000 unstable 3702 02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:36,560 i think stargate is based on that idea 3703 02:30:42,150 --> 02:30:39,280 of using wormholes at least at the 3704 02:30:44,550 --> 02:30:42,160 moment it doesn't look like they could 3705 02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:44,560 use it and furthermore you'd have to 3706 02:30:48,150 --> 02:30:46,640 create a black hole that would connect 3707 02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:48,160 with your black hole 3708 02:30:51,670 --> 02:30:49,280 on the 3709 02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:51,680 other side of the universe or 3710 02:30:57,030 --> 02:30:54,319 wherever you're going so instead i think 3711 02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,040 the idea that the bulk of that those 3712 02:31:02,630 --> 02:30:59,840 extra dimensions are severely warped is 3713 02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:02,640 much easier mother nature does it for us 3714 02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:04,960 we don't even need to expend the energy 3715 02:31:09,750 --> 02:31:07,120 and getting in there might be is just as 3716 02:31:12,309 --> 02:31:09,760 simple as surrounding your craft with 3717 02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:12,319 these subatomic particles that we expect 3718 02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:15,439 to produce at the large hadron collider 3719 02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:17,439 within the next couple of years 3720 02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:20,000 today we assume something's impossible 3721 02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:22,800 but science has always been about taking 3722 02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,359 the impossible and making it possible 3723 02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,520 we'll just go 3724 02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:29,680 yeah that's right yeah 3725 02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:31,200 you have any more questions from that 3726 02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:32,240 listener 3727 02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:35,200 yeah so kind of on the same topic robert 3728 02:31:39,790 --> 02:31:37,840 have you heard any reliable information 3729 02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:39,800 about the existence of 3730 02:31:45,990 --> 02:31:43,600 ufo-related special access programs 3731 02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:46,000 uh you mean maybe the military or 3732 02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:48,160 something like that yeah i'll ask 3733 02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,840 another question because someone says 3734 02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:51,760 have you personally heard any 3735 02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:54,560 trustworthy claims about supposedly 3736 02:32:00,309 --> 02:31:58,479 existing alien reproduction vehicles 3737 02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:00,319 so copies 3738 02:32:04,389 --> 02:32:02,880 no no i don't think there's anything 3739 02:32:07,110 --> 02:32:04,399 credible about that and part of the 3740 02:32:08,389 --> 02:32:07,120 reason i believe that is because we 3741 02:32:11,110 --> 02:32:08,399 ourselves 3742 02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:11,120 well in my opinion this is my opinion 3743 02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:14,319 if we if if ufos really are using this 3744 02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,840 bulk uh this warped geometry in the bulk 3745 02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:19,840 uh if they are doing that 3746 02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:21,920 then we're not really quite there we're 3747 02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:24,000 on this threshold but we're not quite 3748 02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:25,040 there 3749 02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:27,200 it's going to take quite a bit of 3750 02:32:30,389 --> 02:32:28,240 further 3751 02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:30,399 development of this too 3752 02:32:35,110 --> 02:32:33,120 like downsizing the size of particle 3753 02:32:36,950 --> 02:32:35,120 accelerators which by the way is 3754 02:32:38,950 --> 02:32:36,960 something they are trying to do 3755 02:32:42,870 --> 02:32:38,960 they talking about uh you've heard of 3756 02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:42,880 michio kaku the yes yep uh he's talking 3757 02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:45,680 about building tabletop accelerators 3758 02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:48,240 that will have immense power so we're 3759 02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:52,800 not there yet and i find it 3760 02:32:59,990 --> 02:32:55,600 do you have any idea of the the numbers 3761 02:33:02,550 --> 02:33:00,000 or kind of in intensity of uh kkk 3762 02:33:04,830 --> 02:33:02,560 particles that would need to be produced 3763 02:33:08,230 --> 02:33:04,840 to have the effect that you're 3764 02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:08,240 postulating um i know and nope i don't 3765 02:33:13,349 --> 02:33:10,720 know the precise amount that are needed 3766 02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:13,359 this is something this is exactly the 3767 02:33:16,150 --> 02:33:15,280 kind of research that we'll be needing 3768 02:33:19,110 --> 02:33:16,160 to do 3769 02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:19,120 uh when we take these next steps 3770 02:33:26,230 --> 02:33:23,760 okay um uh in answer to gog's question 3771 02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:26,240 uh about how many kk particles would be 3772 02:33:32,950 --> 02:33:30,000 needed to uh shroud the ufo to push pull 3773 02:33:35,670 --> 02:33:32,960 it into the bulk um i i would i'd make 3774 02:33:38,150 --> 02:33:35,680 this analogy i don't know for sure 3775 02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:38,160 but think of uh aircraft when we were 3776 02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:40,000 first building aircraft this is a 3777 02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:41,760 perfect analogy 3778 02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:43,600 we knew the weight of the aircraft we 3779 02:33:48,389 --> 02:33:46,240 had to figure out how big the wing would 3780 02:33:49,750 --> 02:33:48,399 have to be to carry the load and we 3781 02:33:52,070 --> 02:33:49,760 didn't know at first and we had to 3782 02:33:54,870 --> 02:33:52,080 figure out the theoretically what was 3783 02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:54,880 needed and experimentally too and that's 3784 02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:56,800 exactly the same thing here we're going 3785 02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:58,720 to have to figure out how much is needed 3786 02:34:03,349 --> 02:34:00,560 to do it and and i think when we do 3787 02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:03,359 develop this technology 3788 02:34:08,950 --> 02:34:06,479 it will be we'll be starting small scale 3789 02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:08,960 we'll be doing models try to sentimental 3790 02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:12,479 into the bulk and then hopefully 3791 02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:14,000 you know have it radio control and not 3792 02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:16,800 radio control but have it pre-programmed 3793 02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:18,640 so once it's in the bulk and we can no 3794 02:34:25,270 --> 02:34:23,040 longer communicate with it that it um 3795 02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:25,280 it reduces the number of kk graviton so 3796 02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:27,680 it comes back out of the bulk 3797 02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:29,600 and it comes back to us otherwise we'll 3798 02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:32,160 lose it you know oh and by the way when 3799 02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:34,399 alien civilizations start to see us 3800 02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:36,640 going into the bulk that's when i 3801 02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:39,200 believe the federation will 3802 02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,160 uh announce that their arrival because 3803 02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:44,720 they'll know we are probably within 3804 02:34:49,270 --> 02:34:47,200 years or perhaps a decade or so okay so 3805 02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,280 what you're telling me here is the plot 3806 02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,920 of the movie star trek first contact 3807 02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:53,520 and this kind of takes you back to the 3808 02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:55,840 original star trek lexicon 3809 02:35:01,030 --> 02:34:59,120 about how warp drive was invented 3810 02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:01,040 by humans 3811 02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,720 and thus 3812 02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:04,880 some fascinating things occurred 3813 02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:06,560 if you saw the movie you'll remember 3814 02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:07,439 this 3815 02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:10,080 so when zefram cochrane 3816 02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:11,680 invents warp drive it doesn't have to be 3817 02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:13,200 warp drive but let's just use as the 3818 02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:16,160 example from star trek the vulcans see 3819 02:35:18,389 --> 02:35:17,040 that 3820 02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,399 and therefore 3821 02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,640 come to earth to make first contact 3822 02:35:25,110 --> 02:35:22,880 yes and i don't believe um they're 3823 02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:25,120 hostile i don't believe that at all i 3824 02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:26,319 believe there 3825 02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:28,160 i believe remember as i was saying 3826 02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:32,080 before that as civilizations uh as they 3827 02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,800 develop they become more civilized you 3828 02:35:39,670 --> 02:35:36,399 can see it on planet earth we have 3829 02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:39,680 anatomy in 80 75 80 years we haven't had 3830 02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:40,880 any further 3831 02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:42,880 major remember we had world war one 3832 02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:44,720 world war ii within 20 years of each 3833 02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:47,680 other we had the uh we had the 3834 02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:49,600 napoleonic war we had all sorts of 3835 02:35:53,750 --> 02:35:51,680 horrifying wars yeah but all the stuff 3836 02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:53,760 that's going on in the middle east now 3837 02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:55,680 is not exactly peaceful 3838 02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,160 i i totally agree but um and i admit 3839 02:36:04,150 --> 02:36:00,640 it's terrible uh there's half a million 3840 02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:04,160 dead in syria today but think of world 3841 02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:05,600 war one and world war ii and world war 3842 02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:08,399 one it was what 25 million died world 3843 02:36:14,469 --> 02:36:11,439 war ii was like 36 million so you're not 3844 02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,479 seeing those horrifying figures anymore 3845 02:36:18,950 --> 02:36:16,319 we're killing people but not as many as 3846 02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:18,960 what you're telling us exactly and i'm 3847 02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,520 not saying that we've eliminated war we 3848 02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:23,840 haven't but eventually the middle east 3849 02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:27,040 will settle down as it develops and uh 3850 02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,960 the conflicts will die out because 3851 02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:31,120 remember in a sense they're following in 3852 02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:33,840 europe's footsteps remember europe um 3853 02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,560 which is also an amalgam of nations 3854 02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:38,319 they were all fighting each other for 3855 02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:40,560 centuries and centuries but you'll 3856 02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:42,960 notice that europe today has totally 3857 02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:45,040 settled down i mean except for some 3858 02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,880 terrorist stuff but those countries are 3859 02:36:50,870 --> 02:36:49,040 not fighting each other they're not 3860 02:36:52,710 --> 02:36:50,880 trying to grab their neighbor's land 3861 02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:52,720 well with a few exceptions i've got a 3862 02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:55,280 quick one robert with your a theory when 3863 02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:56,399 you were saying that you know if you 3864 02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:58,800 surround a craft with these kk particles 3865 02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:01,439 at whatever kind of you know intensity 3866 02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:04,399 if you kind of went into the the bulk 3867 02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:05,600 and then 3868 02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:08,240 further increased the intensity would 3869 02:37:13,349 --> 02:37:10,399 that then put you through the bulk into 3870 02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,359 the other kind of dimension the mirror 3871 02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,240 you'd stay in the bulk all you do dogs 3872 02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,560 is go deeper into the bolt which is good 3873 02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:20,720 because the deeper you go in the shorter 3874 02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:23,040 the distance to other stars 3875 02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:25,040 robert schroeder if our listeners want 3876 02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,560 to know more about what you do do you 3877 02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:28,240 have a site or a place they can check 3878 02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:28,960 out 3879 02:37:33,910 --> 02:37:31,200 i don't have a website but if anybody 3880 02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:33,920 would like to buy my book solving the 3881 02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:36,319 ufo enigma how modern physics is 3882 02:37:40,710 --> 02:37:39,120 revealing the technology of ufos uh they 3883 02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:40,720 can go to amazon 3884 02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:43,040 and it's available both as 3885 02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:45,439 paperback or kindle 3886 02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:47,280 you can find us on twitter if you look 3887 02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:48,800 for the powercast look with the 3888 02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:51,439 powercast on twitter look for a pair 3889 02:37:57,110 --> 02:37:54,399 of official powercast fan clubs on 3890 02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,120 facebook we also have that second radio 3891 02:38:02,309 --> 02:37:59,520 show it's called after the powercast 3892 02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:02,319 and it's available only if you subscribe 3893 02:38:10,309 --> 02:38:04,319 to the powercast plus go to 3894 02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:12,389 you get after the powercast you get some 3895 02:38:17,670 --> 02:38:14,960 show transcripts special selected 3896 02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:17,680 episodes video and audio from paul 3897 02:38:21,670 --> 02:38:20,080 kimball's other side of truth 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and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted 3914 02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,319 presentation of making the impossible 3915 02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:14,000 incorporated